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Windows 2003 as additional domain controller with OSX 10.3.8 server

Asked by: M_A_D_C_A_T

Hi

I have an existing OSX 10.3.8 server serving 100+ mac and windows machines on a network.
The mac server runs AFP, DHCP, DNS, NetBoot, NFS, OpenDirectory, MacManager (for OS9 clients) and Windows services.

My named.conf file:

// Declares control channels to be used by the rndc utility.
// It is recommended that 127.0.0.1 be the only address used.
// This also allows non-privileged users on the local host to manage
// your name server.
//
controls {
      inet 127.0.0.1 port 54 allow {any; };

};
options {
      directory "/var/named";
      forwarders {
                  172.18.0.121;
                  172.18.0.122;
            };
      allow-transfer {none;};
      recursion true;
      /*
       * If there is a firewall between you and nameservers you want
       * to talk to, you might need to uncomment the query-source
       * directive below.  Previous versions of BIND always asked
       * questions using port 53, but BIND 8.1 uses an unprivileged
       * port by default.
       */
      // query-source address * port 53;
};

//
// a caching only nameserver config
//
zone "." IN {
      type hint;
      file "named.ca";
};

zone "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa" IN {
      type master;
      file "0.0.127.in-addr.arpa.zone";
      allow-update { none; };
};

zone "mitcham.sch" IN {
      file "mitcham.sch.zone";
      type master;
};

zone "128.71.10.in-addr.arpa." IN {
      file "128.71.10.in-addr.arpa..zone";
      type master;
};

zone "DNS" IN {
      forwarders {
                  172.18.0.121;
                  172.18.0.122;
            };
      type forward;
};

logging {
      channel _default_log  {
            file "/Library/Logs/named.log";
            severity info;
            print-time yes;
      };
      category default {
            _default_log;
      };

};

I have a windows 2003 server on the network serving terminal services. I have joined the win2k3 box to the domain controlled by the Mac server. Clients can log into the terminal server using domain accounts; it authenticates against the mac server, they get their home drive mounted etc etc

My Problem:

I would like to set the terminal server up so that the PCs on the network get group policy settings from the win2k3 server, since OSX servers cannot serve group policies.

I assume the first step is to add the active directory role to the win2k3 server and set it as an additional domain controller.

When I attempt to run the active directory installation wizard, I receive the following error when I enter the "network credentials" section of the wizard:

The domain name MITCHAM might be a NetBIOS domain name.  If this is the case, verify that the domain name is properly registered with WINS.

If you are certain that the name is not a NetBIOS domain name, then the following information can help you troubleshoot your DNS configuration.

The following error occurred when DNS was queried for the service location (SRV) resource record used to locate a domain controller for domain MITCHAM:

The error was: "DNS name does not exist."
(error code 0x0000232B RCODE_NAME_ERROR)

The query was for the SRV record for _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.MITCHAM

Common causes of this error include the following:

- The DNS SRV records required to locate a domain controller for the domain are not registered in DNS. These records are registered with a DNS server automatically when a domain controller is added to a domain. They are updated by the domain controller at set intervals. This computer is configured to use DNS servers with following IP addresses:

10.71.128.51

- One or more of the following zones do not include delegation to its child zone:

MITCHAM
. (the root zone)

For information about correcting this problem, click Help.

Is what I'm attempting to do even possible?; or is it a case of my DNS settings being incomplete? Do I have to be running 10.3.9 server or even 10.4 server?

I am not interested in managing user or computer domain accounts from the windows server - I just would like to be able to serve group policies.

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Answers

 

by: JConchiePosted on 2005-10-19 at 08:33:06ID: 15116750

You're trying to mix apples and oranges here......the point being that you don't currently have a microsoft active directory domain running here....so when you try to add the 2003 server as an *additional* DC, it looks for another DC, already on the non-existant MS AD domain, from which to obtain the domain schema......and times out when it doen't find one.

You can set up a new active directory domain, with the 2003 server as the *first* DC and then setup the mac machines to work with that....good article about that at:http://www.macwindows.com/ADinstruct.html

You will then have to use a third party tool to support group policy on the macs.  See:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/management/grouppolicy/gptools.mspx

 

by: M_A_D_C_A_TPosted on 2005-10-19 at 20:43:18ID: 15121584

Hi

The OSX Server is configured as a Primary Domain Controller using Samba.

Ive had a read thru the macwindows.com article; it seems that I have to make the Windows Server the PDC of the network. All of the reports I have read indicate that the OSX server (whether it be 10.3 or 10.4) need to be bound to the AD domain, and I cannot bind the 2003 box to the Open Directory.

There is 700+ user accounts on the OSX Server - Is it possible to create an AD Domain on the 2003 box (with it being the PDC) and have the Open Directory accounts on the OSX server be transfered to the AD or somehow connect the OD users to the AD domain?

If the OSX server is bound to the AD, will the policies inforced by workgroup manager on the OSX client Macs still be applied? Will workgroup manager show all domain users - or just mac user accounts? Will changes made using workgroup manager (such as password or homedrive mappings) be reflected/updated on the windows server?

Ultimately I would like a scenario where the Mac OSX clients will have policies enforced by Workgroup manager on the OSX server, OS9 clients have policies enforced by Macintosh Manger on the OSX server, windows clients have group policies enforced by the Windows 2003 server and users have a common login username/password and homedrives etc.
At the moment I have all those requirements fulfilled except the windows clients being managed by group policies.

 

by: JConchiePosted on 2005-10-20 at 06:55:56ID: 15124277

Create a Windows 2003 domain with your 2003 server as the DC.  Join all the windows clients to that domain and apply and group policy settings you wish.  Share the resources on the Windows server with the Mac clients.....share the resources on the Mac workgroup with the windows clients.  That is workable....and is also the best you can do....basically a hybrid network...you can't set up a completely seamless windows/mac mix.

 

by: M_A_D_C_A_TPosted on 2005-10-27 at 23:15:21ID: 15176852

Hi

I have setup a test 2003 server, test 10.4 server and are following the intsructions from http://www.macwindows.com/ADinstruct.html

According to step 5 on the site, active directory users should be able to be managed thru workgroup manager (forcing dock appearance etc)
I have followed the directions, and can log an OSX client machine in via an active directory account, but the prefrences in workgroup manager are not being applied

Any ideas anyone??

Cheers

Travis

 

by: M_A_D_C_A_TPosted on 2005-11-02 at 17:04:47ID: 15213567

Hi,

I have found a good article from afp548.com:

http://www.afp548.com/filemgmt_data/files/AD-OD-2.0.pdf

It appers that what Im trying to do is possible - I'll post back once I try it out

Cheers

Travis

 

by: JConchiePosted on 2006-01-02 at 20:05:09ID: 15595999

Venabilli,
I'd suggest that a refund, in this case,  is not in order....the questioner did not respond to the advise given....claimed to have found a solution of his own....never discribed that solution.....and never came back to say if it worked.....not a very useful PAQ....it is basically an abandoned question, and given it's nature would be best just deleted.

 

by: VenabiliPosted on 2006-01-03 at 01:02:26ID: 15597231

JConchie,

Did you check the article from his last post? It seems to me like a quite good source. That is why I am recommending this :)
I can be wrong though

 

by: JConchiePosted on 2006-01-03 at 07:14:53ID: 15599385

Just checked it again, same result as I got last time I looked....404 error: "article does not exist".....and no further post from him saying if and how situation was solved.

 

by: VenabiliPosted on 2006-01-03 at 07:23:36ID: 15599449

I cannot open it from here either today..

Then it is clear:
Changed recommendation: DELETE - NO REFUND
Thanks for the heads up.

 

by: M_A_D_C_A_TPosted on 2006-01-03 at 23:24:55ID: 15605821

Guys,

The white paper that I found and posted a link for was moved due to it being updated -  the new link is :

http://www.afp548.com/filemgmt_data/files/AD-OD-2.1.pdf

I havne't had time to determine if it answers my original question...

Travis

 

by: PAQ_ManPosted on 2006-01-08 at 14:58:12ID: 15644122

PAQed with points refunded (250)

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