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Tiger connecting to 2003 Server

Asked by: tmcneer

Similar questions have been asked about this issue, but the solution suggested in the most recent one doesn't work for me. The problem discussed in this post - http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Macintosh_Networking/Q_21758350.html?qid=21758350 -  basically describes the problem I'm having. In my case, I had created a startup link to a share on a Win2003 server running as part of a workgroup on my network. This has worked fine for months.

However, today I noticed that when I browsed the Mac's file system within Eclipse, under "Volumes" I saw more than one reference to the same machine. (I realize that the Eclipse issue may have nothing to do with what I'm about to describe. I just include it to let folks know how I got where I am.)

Thinking that perhaps there might be some incorrect pointer to the server share mounted on startup, I went into System Preferences > Accounts > Login Items and deleted the reference to the share. I then attempted to create a new startup  item by dragging the mounted share from a Finder window into the System Prefs window. Big mistake. As described in the previous post, the icon "exploded." The share disappeared from the Finder as if it had been "ejected." But when I attempted to reconnect through the Finder's Network icon, I could clearly see the path to the server, and when clicking "Connect," I was shown the name of the available share. I reauthenticated, just to make sure. But I got a message saying that the item to which the alias referred could not be found.

However, if I use the Finder's Connect to Server command and enter a path by hostname "smb:\\medcool-server2," I'm shown the share, but I'm told the share is already mounted. But it does not appear anywhere in a Finder window. In other words, it's mounted (according the system), but is not shown.

In answering the previous post, jwildman suggested trashing the alias and reconnecting through the smb protocol. But I'm not sure which alias he's referring to. And clearly, Samba thinks the volume is mounted.

One additional note: Although I cannot access that server through the Finder or any application that uses the normal system dialog "open" boxes, I can see and access the server within Eclipse's File Explorer View.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,

Tom

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Answers

 

by: ryanhuntPosted on 2006-03-16 at 02:20:39ID: 16203407

Hey Tom
Let me have a stab at this.

First off, I don't know what Eclipse, or what it is, but I'll assume it's a program on Mac you use. I need to know more info from you - is this mac a part of a Directory? I.e. do you have centralised authentication? It's possble that if you do, that's how you see multiple copies of the same server when you browse to it. It might be pushing the server names/connections to you. Alternatively, it's possible (although unlikely) that if the server has multiple DNS entries for the same server, it'll be showing up mor ethan once. Check with the DNS people that this isn't the case.

As far as the share already mounted, it's possible that whatever has happened in the past has created an 'alias' somewhere. Check in the '/Volumes' directory and ensure that there aren't any folders in there when you've not mounted anything. It's possible that you or some process in the past has created a folder there called 'medcool-server2' that is causing it to think that it's already been mounted?

Have you considered enabling 'Services for Macintosh' on the servers and using AFP? This might be a way around the problem?

Hope this helps!

Ryan.

 

by: tmcneerPosted on 2006-03-16 at 07:45:16ID: 16206081

Hi Ryan,

Thanks for helping. First, my reference to Eclipse may just have muddied the water, so ignore it. I'm not sure what the issue is there, since I'm seeing mounted volumes in Eclipse that do not match up with what Terminal shows in the Volumes directory. But just so you know, Eclipse is an open source Java-based IDE, widely used on many platforms for developing Java and a number of other languages. My point, badly explained, was simply that since Eclipse's File Browser looks directly at the machine, rather than looking through the Finder, I was seeing something different than in a Finder window.

I should have related the Finder view to what I can see in Terminal. That would have made more sense.

So -- to address your questions: this is a very loose network. It's me and a few other machines, all of which are mine. There's no central authentication source -- no LDAP, no domain. There are three Windows machines, one XP and two Win2003 servers. The Windows machines have shares set up on them in a usual, single-machine manner. Authentication passed to a networked machine is just a matter of authenticating as a user on that individual machine. The Windows machines are part of a workgroup, but not a domain. There is no DNS service on the network at all. As far as enabling Services for Macintosh goes -- they're enabled. But accessing this machine has worked fine for the last year, and accessing the other Windows machines on the network still works fine. So I'd rather not have to rework the way I access things if necessary.

So -- here's a little more information: as I said, I cannot see the server in the Finder as a mounted Volume. (Is there a way to view the Volumes in the Finder, other than the view that shows mounted volumes in the upper left section?) When I attempt to connect by navigating through the Network, I received the "bad alias" message.

When I view the contents of the Volumes in Terminal, I see an entry which reads "MEDIUMCOOL;MEDCOOL-SERVER2" (which corresponds to WORKGROUP;SERVER_NAME), and another which reads "MCSERVER2" which is the name of the Windows share on the above-referenced server.

I don't know whether there should only be a single entry for the machine, or whether the double reference -- one pointing to the machine, and one to the share -- is correct. And obviously, I don't know why the share does not appear in a Finder window or in standard system dialog boxes, such as "Open."

That's the crux of it, I guess. What have I done that mounts one (or two) references to the server upon login, but prevents the Finder from allowing access to it?


Thanks,


Tom

 

by: jwildingPosted on 2006-03-20 at 10:56:50ID: 16239072

OK, thanks for the Wildman nickname, I like it, but suspect I don't justify it.
Best bet is to start from scratch.

Open your Mac's hard disk icon and navigate to your User home folder.  Place the view into column view and click on the desktop folder icon.  Can you see any icons in it for the share.  If you can, they will be Aliases.  You can make certain by clicking once on them and getting info.  If you have any such aliases, bin them.

Now dismount any mounted shares

Now Using connect to server, type in the following:

smb://IPADDRESS-OF-PC-SERVER (where you sub in the PC's IP address)

Press return

Hopefully you should then be presented with a box asking for workgroup name, username and password.  NetBIOS MUST be enabled on the network cards of all PCs for this to work.  You find that setting in IP Properties on the PCs.

You can set the Macs Workgroup from the Directory Access tool's, SMB option.  Find the tool in the Mac's Utilities folder in the Applications folder.

You mention  Services for Macintosh, but you can only enable this on the 2003 machines, it is not a feature of XP.  If you use services for Macintosh, change the URL to be:

afp://IPADDRESS-OF-PC-SERVER (where you sub in the PC's IP address)

Post back with results and or errors.

J

 

by: tmcneerPosted on 2006-03-20 at 11:26:28ID: 16239516

First, let me apologize for getting your name wrong. I should have looked at the other post more carefully. However, I'm glad you like the mistake.

Second, I'll happily follow your instructions. But before I do, let me catch you up on the current situation -- which is a little different than it was on Friday. I'd appreciate if you could review this, and see if your advice might be different -- because, at the moment, I can connect to the share, although it's not exactly right.

To answer one of your questions -- there are no shares shown in the Desktop folder when looking at it in column view in a Finder window.

However -- well, let me start at the beginning...

Over the weekend, I was looking into the /Volumes folder in Terminal. As I mentioned in my earlier post, there was an entry for the share -- MC-SERVER2 -- as well as an entry for the server, referenced by WORKGROUP;SERVER_NAME: MEDIUMCOOL;MEDCOOL-SERVER2.

I attempted to unmount both, using diskutil. Didn't work, even with the "force" attribute.

I could navigate into the MC-SERVER2 entry as a directory. There I found a reference to only a single directory within the share, so I knew there was a problem. I removed that single directory, then went up a level into the /Volumes directory and removed the now-empty MC-SERVER2 reference.

I should also note that, at this time, my Powerbook was nowhere near the network with that server, so obviously the volumes weren't really mounted.

I made many attempts to unmount/remove/etc. the MEDIUMCOOL;MEDCOOL-SERVER2 reference. Nothing worked, Seemed as if the system interpreted the semi-colon as a different sort of delineator, because it complained there was no "command" called MEDCOOL-SERVER2.

This morning, I put the machine back on the network. The share is no longer in my login items, which is how I used to connect. However, the share is visible on the Desktop -- the visual Desktop -- and I can open a Finder window into it. However, the share does not show as a mounted volume in the upper left of any Finder window. It also does not show up when navigating to the Desktop folder in a Finder window.

On the other hand, it does appear within open/save dialogs,where it shows as a mounted volume in the column view for [COMPUTER-NAME]. It still does not appear in the upper-left hand window with other Volumes in those dialog boxes.

Lastly (just to confuse things), when I now check the /Volumes directory in Terminal, there are two aliases pointing to the server in question: MEDIUMCOOL;MEDCOOL-SERVER2, the reference which I could not remove over the weekend, and MEDIUMCOOL;MEDCOOL-SERVER2-1, which was clearly created today, and which correctly points to the server. However, I don't know why this last reference was created, or why the share was mounted, since there appears to no longer be a login items refererence to mount it upon login.

Confused? Any modifications to your original advice?

Thanks very much for your help.


Tom

 

by: jwildingPosted on 2006-03-20 at 11:57:58ID: 16239897

This morning, I put the machine back on the network. The share is no longer in my login items, which is how I used to connect. However, the share is visible on the Desktop -- the visual Desktop -- and I can open a Finder window into it. However, the share does not show as a mounted volume in the upper left of any Finder window. It also does not show up when navigating to the Desktop folder in a Finder window.


Regarding this bit above.  Visibility in Finder windows is set by a Finder Preference or View Option.  If it is not set, you won't see mounted volumes there.

Although Mounted volumes appear to be on the desktop, they are not mounted within the desktop, but rather "float" above it so you can see them.  As such, you would never see mounted servers visible within the desktop folder when you navigate to it via the finder in a finder window.  Any server icons there will be aliases (shortcuts).

J

 

by: jwildingPosted on 2006-03-20 at 12:02:37ID: 16239957

The exploding icon syndrome you described was because it was an alias that was dragged to the startup items window, not a mounted server.

And no need to appologise for the Wildman thing :-)

And I just checked, select the Finder menu, select Preferences and hit the sidebar option.  Make sure mounted servers is checked.

J

 

by: tmcneerPosted on 2006-03-20 at 12:36:32ID: 16240320

Great! Thanks, I didn't know about the Finder preference issue. In fact, something must have changed those prefs, because mounted volumes have always been shown in the sidebar in the past. Glad that part was just a display issue.

So -- everything is in good shape once again, but -- I'm a little concerned about that weird, orphaned alias -- MEDIUMCOOL;MEDCOOL-SERVER2 -- that I can't get rid of. It's still showing in the /Volumes directory. And in Eclipse, it still shows in the File Explorer. with an incorrect, truncated directory structure.

Do you have any clues on how to blow away that bad alias? Won't unmount, won't "rm".

But I sure would like to get rid of it.


Thanks,


Tom

 

by: jwildingPosted on 2006-03-20 at 13:25:29ID: 16240922

From the finder, if you select the Go menu and select To Folder

Into the box type

/volumes

and then press return.  Do you see your rogue?  Can you trash it?

J

 

by: tmcneerPosted on 2006-03-20 at 13:32:39ID: 16241016

Hooray! The last piece of the puzzle. And a lot of good new knowledge to boot. Thanks for all your help.


Tom

 

by: jwildingPosted on 2006-03-20 at 14:34:40ID: 16241695

Glad it worked.

J

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