How many workstations will connect to this G5?
What kind of network switch are you connected to? (Make/Model)
OS X (non server) I believe can only support upto to 10 concurrent connections.
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Browse All TopicsWhat I would like to do is benchmark a G5 tower to see where the bottleneck is so I can toubleshoot a throughput problem. (Bad NIC card, bade SATA cable, etc).We will be moving an internal 1 TB SATA drive from one of our workstations to that tower and turning it into a file server and acting as the main file repository.
We have an older G5 Powermac Tower (Dual 1.8 GHZ G5, 4GB Ram) running OS 10.56.. We would like this dedicated server to run just OSX without the need to purchase OS X server as we don't need the additional tools that come with the pricetag. We just need Time Machine for versioned backup and spotlight.
At one point this G5 Tower was running OSX 10.5 (not sure which version) and had a lot of throughput issues when reading or writing especially from the network.
Also any suggestions on what upgrades can be done to this machine to improve its overall performance as a file server.
Thanks
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We will have 3 users and I would like to have room for 3 more for expansion. All will be Mac Pros running Leopard (10.58). (We won't be migrating to Snow Leopard until after January as we are going into a busy production season until then). This network will be used for 3 graphic designers producing catalogs for print. (QuarkXpress, Photoshop, Acrobat Pro)
Answers to your questions:
1. I will add users via the sharing preference pane.
2. I will only be sharing via AFP as we have no Windows clients that will connect to this server. All 3 will be connected via ethernet cable.
3. We already connect to the G5 via "Screen Sharing".(It is currently used as a print server with no monitor or keyboard attached)
4. All 4 computers (the server and clients) are connected to the same switch (D-Link DGS 2208 Gigabit). This is connected to our larger network backbone (not sure about the exact specs of that system.) But all connections should be local.
A little bit about our current setup. We have 1 of the 3 mac pros sharing 2 internal 1TB SATA Drives that our not used for the OS. We have the drives partitioned as follows:
DRIVE 1= 7200 RPM 1 TB SATA Drive is all for file storage (we are currently using 300 GB of that drive)
DRIVE 2=1 TB Drive - Partitioned-500 GB Time Machine & 500 GB for Nightly Backups of Drive 1 via Super Duper (these are scheduled well after closing). The Super Duper Backup is copied to a disk image and sent to a file server at a colocation off site every Friday night.
The issue we are having is if something locks up that workstation the other 2 workstations lose their connectivity. We also have to kick everyone off the network if we need to restart that system for any reason.
Thanks to roylong and nappy_d for your responses and let me know if you need any more info.
OK. I mean no insult when I ask this question.
If you have a much larger infrastructure besides these three or four Macs, is there any reason you don't want to leverage the networked potential(servers etc) rather than a make shift peer netowrk?
if can take advantage of disk space and backups on those larger servers, why not do it?
I support both Macs and Windows in a media environment and my files all live happily on a sinlge file server over gigE wire.
Just a thought.
Now, if you use NFS [NFS Manager or similar will give you better control] and have your clients connecting via NFS, you will find that a lot of these issues go away - NFS is a lot more resilient to network and computer 'blips'.
Try it and you'll see, it works a treat.
Also, this gets around any limitations of AFP and number of connections to the Workstation OS.
NFS is a network file sharing protocol used by Unix -it works out of the box with OS X (because its based on Unix) and in fact is just about a pre-requisite of any Unix OS.
You don't need to touch SAMBA for NFS in any way at all, SAMBA is the Unix/Linux implementation of SMB.
NFS daemon runs with no set up or installation. You do however need a small amount of knowledge with respect to manually configuring NFS exports and shares. Thus the reason I suggested using NFS Manager; this application lets you update exports from the 'server' and add shares on the client. The NFS manager uses a GUI to help you updated the /etc/fstab (which, of course, you could do manually with a text editor on both client and server).
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Nappy_D: No insult taken. We don't used the extended network because we would lose 2 tools we rely on. Time Machine & Spotlight. In our environment we need the versioned back up of Time Machine for 3 important reasons:
1. The ohS**t moment when you realize you have hit save rather than save as. Not super common, but it happens enough. With Time Machine I can restore to a previous version from an hour ago, yesterday afternoon, or 2 weeks ago. It takes 90 seconds and we are back to working on the file. VERY important in a deadline driven environment.
2. Our client walks in and says, "I know I asked you to revamp those 8 pages, but I changed my mind. Can we just go back to the way it was last week." This happens FAR too often in our company. Once again Time Machine to the resuce. I can even restore an older file AND keep a copy of the newer one, Merge the 2 docs and still make my deadline.
3. We manage it ourselves. No need to put in a service request and wait while they restore a tape backup. Any one of our users with access to the server can fix it in minutes.
We also rely on Spotlight heavily for its ability to index not only file names but the contents in files. "Find out when XProduct appeared in what catalog and when," That search takes minutes with spotlight. Not so much with our Windows Based Network Shares.
Could I LIVE without this technology, yes. But it would like walking with crutches.
So our server must run OS X.
Roylong: I will do some investigation into NFS and how to implement including the software you suggested.
Now back to my original question which still has not been answered.
Any suggestions for software that can check the throughput so I can figure out what the hiccup is with this server?
You could try a benchmarking tool to look at how each of your macs components perform.
Xbench is a good FREE place to start:
http://www.xbench.com/
Ran XBench and found some REALLY slow read-write times. So now we know it is not the network but somewhere in the I/O chain. We'll test a new drive and if that doesn't work we'll see if the SATA controller is wonky.
XBench was stupid-easy to use and worked great.
Thanks to Roylong for the solution and thanks to napy_d for his insight as well.
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by: roylongPosted on 2009-09-09 at 12:34:43ID: 25294745
1. Test data transfer on the actual G5 - put the extra drives into it - use one drive for the (fastest SATA you have) for the OS and then have the data on your 1TB drive. Always bets to keep this separate as you can run disk checks without taking the whole system down or booting from CD/DVD.
2. what network connections do you have at the switch level? how many client? how are they connected to network? You might want your fastest port to the file server and then limit the bandwidth from your clients. I have seen a G5 used as a file server before with a 100 meg connection and then all the clients trying to connect with 1gig connections... ...that's asking for trouble... so look at your network topology.
3. make sure you have the latest patches on the OS.
4. how are you going to manage users and groups connecting without Server? are you going to use AFP or SMB - this may have some bearing on your performance too. My suggestion.. ..get yourself a product called NFS Manager (low cost NFS client/server confiuguration) and then connect all of your clients to the server via NFS.. ..presuming you have no OS 9 clients?
5. maximise your RAM on the 'server'.
6. get yourself a remote management solution (VNC if you can't stretch to Apple's ARD) as this may save you time later, especially if you want to put the box in a secure location and run without a monitor.
7. get a nice large firewire drive (or two even - double your data volumes) and back up when no one is online and connected - you might also want to keep a carbon copy (carbon copy cloner) of your 'server' OS on a smaller firewire drive for emergencies - keep this up to date (once a week?)