Question

GPS not found by applications, output ok on Telnet

Asked by: eslonim

On a new Dell Latitude E6400, XP, the GPS is on the 5530 cellular card.

It appears to be working fine, NMEA strings appear in Telnet and shown on GPSDIAG program, including fix.

However 2 different "real" applications fail to find the GPS, they get the port (COM7, autobaud), but can't see any GPS NMEA messages on it.

Any ideas?

(Samples of output and program responses in CODE section)


Sample NMEA Data:
$GPRMC,143944.00,A,3247.429558,N,03459.265575,E,000.0,018.0,040109,,,A*5C
$GPGSV,3,1,09,19,57,234,31,14,56,052,20,32,41,278,20,11,36,312,34*75
$GPGSV,3,2,09,03,32,194,,06,25,182,,22,24,058,,31,20,133,*7F
$GPGSV,3,3,09,20,15,269,,,,,,,,,,,,,*4B
$GPGSA,A$GPGGA,143945.00,3247.429558,N,03459.265575,E,1,04,0.5,295.0,M,,,,*36
,3,11,14,19,32,,,,,,,,,1.1,0.5,1.0*3A
$GPGGA,143946.00,3247.429558,N,03459.265575,E,1,04,0.5,295.0,M,,,,*35
$GPRMC,143946.00,A,3247.429558,N,03459.265575,E,000.0,018.0,040109,,,A*5E
$GPGSV,3,1,09,19,57,234,31,14,56,052,23,32,41,278,22,11,36,312,34*74
$GPGSV,3,2,09,03,32,194,,06,25,182,,22,24,058,,31,20,133,*7F
$GPGSV,3,3,09,20,15,269,,,,,,,,,,,,,*4B
$GPGSA,A$GPGGA,143947.00,3247.429558,N,03459.265575,E,1,04,3.0,295.0,M,,,,*32
 
Messages from programs that fail to detect:
Port COM7: is opened, handle=1584 nTryBaudRateIndex=0
trying baud 38400 for Port COM7:
$GPRMCWe found a valid GPS Receiver on port COM7: baud 38400
Setting CommTimeouts
Setting CommTimeouts SUCCEEDED
Setting NMEA messages frequencies
All PREPS done, starting main loop
Bytes transfered is 0!
Bytes transfered is 0!
Bytes transfered is 0! ....
 
or similarly from the other program:
Checking COM7 4800: no output detected.
Checking COM7 9600: no output detected.
Checking COM7 1200: no output detected.
Checking COM7 19200: no output detected.
Checking COM7 38400: no output detected.
 
So they appear to see the GPS, but not recognize the sentences?

                                  
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Answers

 

by: thehagmanPosted on 2009-01-04 at 07:23:46ID: 23290038

Instead of autobaud, try to specificly set the baud rate that works successfullly with your telnet experiments.
It's also worth checking that other serial port settings are ok (I assume it should be "8N1" - 8 data bits, no parity, 1 stoppbit ).

 

by: eslonimPosted on 2009-01-04 at 07:37:33ID: 23290105

Thanks, but all baud rates work (it is autobaud, being a virtual port), and there is no access to any serial port settings in the device mgr.

 

by: imarshadPosted on 2009-01-07 at 04:38:56ID: 23314002

Can you get the data in hyper terminal?
My first step will be to open hyper terminal and then set the Comm Port to 7 and trying by changing the baud rate in hyper terminal until I get the data on screen. Then note this baud rate and set this setting in the desired program instead of using autobaud.

 

by: eslonimPosted on 2009-01-07 at 05:33:43ID: 23314358

Yes, I get data in Hyperterminal, at any baud rate (virtual port adapts automatically).
A sample of the data is included above labelled sample NMEA data (actually not from hyperteminal, but from a different program)

 

by: imarshadPosted on 2009-01-08 at 02:55:06ID: 23323704

Which programs are you using for GPS data reception? Do these programs allow for entering CommPort settings rather then Auto detect?
Also I think there is some problem with the strings. Specially the GPGSA and GPGGA. Is this some error while you were copying/pasting or is this the actual data coming from the GPS? If this is the data coming from the GPS then it is not standard NMEA string. The GPGSA terminates unexpectedly without a carriage return and line feed. Can you please give a sample from hyper terminal as well to be absolute sure...

$GPGSA,A$GPGGA,143945.00,3247.429558,N,03459.265575,E,1,04,0.5,295.0,M,,,,*36
,3,11,14,19,32,,,,,,,,,1.1,0.5,1.0*3A
$GPGGA,143946.00,3247.429558,N,03459.265575,E,1,04,0.5,295.0,M,,,,*35
                                              
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by: eslonimPosted on 2009-01-08 at 03:14:37ID: 23323820

I can set a specific baud rate, and it works too, 19200, 4800 and 38400

No, I think the missing line feeds was an artifact of the capture I did:

Here it is from Hyperterminal:
$GPRMC,094404.00,A,3247.444572,N,03459.272530,E,000.0,000.0,261208,,,A*50
$GPGSV,2,1,08,21,72,290,22,29,53,064,29,24,48,038,14,18,38,172,*79
$GPGSV,2,2,08,16,30,316,,05,14,156,,10,13,040,,22,10,194,*79
$GPGSA,A,3,21,29,,,,,,,,,,,11.2,5.0,10.0*3C
$GPGGA,094405.00,3247.444572,N,03459.272530,E,1,02,5.0,359.0,M,,,,*37
$GPRMC,094405.00,A,3247.444572,N,03459.272530,E,000.0,000.0,261208,,,A*51
$GPGSV,2,1,08,21,72,290,21,29,53,064,30,24,48,038,13,18,38,172,*75
$GPGSV,2,2,08,16,30,316,,05,14,156,,10,13,040,,22,10,194,*79
$GPGSA,A,3,21,29,,,,,,,,,,,11.2,5.0,10.0*3C
$GPGGA,094406.00,3247.444572,N,03459.272530,E,1,02,5.0,359.0,M,,,,*34
$GPRMC,094406.00,A,3247.444572,N,03459.272530,E,000.0,000.0,261208,,,A*52
$GPGSV,2,1,08,21,72,290,24,29,53,064,29,24,48,038,13,18,38,172,*78
$GPGSV,2,2,08,16,30,316,,05,14,156,,10,13,040,,22,10,194,*79
$GPGSA,A,3,21,29,,,,,,,,,,,11.2,5.0,10.0*3C

Programs I care about are PFMS (pocketfms.com) and Jeppesen Flight Deck.
For testing, I have also used GPSDIAG from Cnet, which reads it ok, and gets a fix !
http://www.download.com/GPSDiag/3000-2130_4-10055902.html


 

by: eslonimPosted on 2009-01-17 at 22:39:04ID: 23403997

Could it be a non standard NMEA string?  Perhaps the chipset (Ericsson) is not in the correct mode?

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