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Confusing results with AD LDAP query and the modifyTimeStamp attribute

Asked by: iistech

I see other AD-related questions here, so here's mine, and I'll try to succinctly detail the issue:

I am using both DSQUERY and LDP for doing queries against a Windows 2003 domain that is NOT in native 2003 mode yet. (There are still a few 2000 DC's.)

I am searching for an account that was definitely changed since 2001, and the GUI confirms this.

In the query, I have to use the modifyTimeStamp. (To save on unneccessary responses, I must use that attribute, and, yes, I know there are others that I can use, but this is an application limitation.) I am also aware that to read the modifyTimeStamp value, more permissions are required. We've created a special group that has read-only access to modifyTimeStamp and createdTimeStamp.

1) I have a query like
  "(& (objectclass=user) (|(modifyTimestamp>=20010128130028.0Z)) (objectCategory=person)(!(userAccountControl:1.2.840.113556.1.4.804:=2))  )"
2)  I am only looking for the attributes "cn,adminCount,modifyTimeStamp".
3) Yes, I know that modifyTimeStamp is special and requires rights to view it.
4) I expect to get a particular user that doesn't show up in the results.
5) I am binding with a "generic" user account which has the additional rights, being the member of a special group, to read the modifyTimeStamp attribute.
6) In the original results in step 1, I am getting results with the modifyTimeStamp, but it seems to be missing accounts.
7) to be more exact and limit the search, I changed the query to:
  "(& (objectclass=user) (objectCategory=person)(!(userAccountControl:1.2.840.113556.1.4.804:=2)) (|(cn=Divyah Smith) (cn=Kondal Smith))  ) "
8) Step 7 results in three objects, including the two expected users and the attribute data is correctly displayed. The modifyTimeStamp value is being displayed for each object.
9) I changed the query to:
 " (& (objectclass=user) (modifyTimestamp>=20090126120027.0Z) (objectCategory=person)(!(userAccountControl:1.2.840.113556.1.4.804:=2)) (|(cn=Divyah Smith) (cn=Kondal Smith))  ) "
10) The query in step 9 only results in one object!!

So, with these steps, I have shown:
1) The binding account can definitely read the modifyTimeStamp for some user objects.
2) There are user objects that are NOT displayed when modifyTimeStamp is part of the query.

My question is this: is there some ADDITIONAL security needed for other underlying attributes in AD in order to use the modifyTimeStamp in an LDAP query in AD?

Ultimately, I need to be able to allow this particular user account the rights to be able to use the modifyTimeStamp and createdTimeStamp in a query and get the attributes in the results. I can do the "black box" approach by making it a Domain Admin, but that sucks.

-- Rob --

***Searching...
ldap_search_s(ld, "DC=mydom,DC=net", 2, "(& (objectclass=user) (modifyTimestamp>=20090126120027.0Z) (objectCategory=person)(!(userAccountControl:1.2.840.113556.1.4.804:=2)) (|(cn=Divyah Smith) (cn=Kondal Smith))  ) ", attrList,  0, &msg)
Result <0>: (null)
Matched DNs: 
Getting 1 entries:
>> Dn: CN=Kondal Smith,OU=AsiaPac,OU=Users,OU=Corp,DC=mydom,DC=net
	1> adminCount: 1; 
	1> modifyTimeStamp: 01/28/2009 13:34:10 Pacific Standard Time Pacific Daylight Time; 
-----------
***Searching...
ldap_search_s(ld, "DC=mydom,DC=net", 2, "(& (objectclass=user) (objectCategory=person)(!(userAccountControl:1.2.840.113556.1.4.804:=2)) (|(cn=Divyah Smith) (cn=Kondal Smith))  ) ", attrList,  0, &msg)
Result <0>: (null)
Matched DNs: 
Getting 3 entries:
>> Dn: CN=Divyah Smith,OU=AsiaPac,OU=Users,OU=Eng,DC=mydom,DC=net
	1> modifyTimeStamp: 01/26/2009 19:52:05 Pacific Standard Time Pacific Daylight Time; 
>> Dn: CN=Kondal Smith,OU=AsiaPac,OU=Users,OU=Corp,DC=mydom,DC=net
	1> adminCount: 1; 
	1> modifyTimeStamp: 01/28/2009 13:34:10 Pacific Standard Time Pacific Daylight Time; 
>> Dn: CN=Kondal Smith,OU=AsiaPac,OU=Users,OU=Eng,DC=mydom,DC=net
	1> modifyTimeStamp: 01/28/2009 14:22:10 Pacific Standard Time Pacific Daylight Time; 
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2009-01-29 at 13:41:30ID24096470
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Windows 2003 Server

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by: iistechPosted on 2009-01-29 at 17:18:44ID: 23504464

Well, I have a little more information to answer my own question:

The FLAG_ATTR_IS_CONSTRUCTED bit is set on these attributes which means that these attributes' values are provided when needed (just in time, so to speak).

Attributes with this flag are only available if you explicitly request them, and, and it may be that, since it's a constructed value, I would also have to explicitely set permissions for reading other attributes.

We are trying to avoid making this "generic" account a Domain Admin, so that is why I'd prefer to determine what other attributes are used to build the "modifyTimeStamp" and "createdTimeStamp" attributes.

I was also provided these links by a co-worker:

http://blogs.technet.com/efleis/archive/2004/11/17/258710.aspx

http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/msg23241.html

 It seems like whoever wrote the application that we are struggling with - it's a known company - did a half-assed job on this AD-integration module. (They probably used a domain admin account for testing.)

So, anyway, I would still like to figure out how to get this to work, being able to give the generic user account the needed permissions in order to return the timestamp value for every account.

-- Rob --

 

by: LauraEHunterMVPPosted on 2009-01-30 at 12:53:27ID: 23512837

Out of curiousity, are you able to include constructed attributes in the query filter if you query using a DA account?  (Or are we just assuming that that's going to work because that tends to be the case. :-))

Reason being, you shouldn't be able to use a constructed attribute in a query string under any circumstances; AD can -return- the values of constructed attributes on objects that are returned in a query resultset, but they can't be included in a query string. So I'd be really curious to see if it's working at -all-, DA credentials or no.

 

by: iistechPosted on 2009-01-30 at 15:36:21ID: 23514132

So, as I outlined it my testing, I *was* getting results from AD using the modifyTimeStamp as part of the query, I just am not getting ALL the results I would expect.

To me, I would seem have an issue with permissions on OU's and some other underlying attributes. Rights are different on some OU's, and inheritance may be different in different locations of the tree.

For a few accounts, I am expecting to get interference from the AdminSDHolder issue - there are accounts that are and were admins. Inheritance would be affected on those. But this one account was never and admin and the "adminCount" is set to 0.

I have also been using Effective Permissions to determine access, but the results there don't match the actual outcome.

I guess I forgot to include the details with different accounts in my original post, so to answer your question: yes, a Domain Admin (like me) gets the expected results, whereas using the same query with the Domain User "generic" account yields only one user object.

It seems like there is another attribute that needs to allow the generic account read permissions. Interestingly, the modifyTimeStamp permissions should allow any authenticated user to view its value, which is why it seems to me that some other attribute needs different security.

A few minutes ago, while responding to your post, and as an experiment, I gave a special group the rights to read all user attributes. The generic account was already in that group. Now the account lists the expected results in the query using modifyTimeStamp.

So, it appears that my assumption is correct, but I have no idea how to determine what attributes are used to create the "modifyTimeStamp" value.

-- Rob --

 

by: iistechPosted on 2009-02-04 at 01:50:51ID: 23546295

Not sure what to do with this question. I sort of answered my own question, but I still don't know how to determine which attributes are used to build the "modifyTimeStamp" and "createdTimeStamp" attributes in order to provide more limited attribute access to a generic user account (for the application to use).

I hope this question doesn't have to be deleted because there are only a couple of worthwhile hits (when searching with Google) on this subject.

Unless some Active Directory MVP who's into lower-level stuff comes around, I'll probably never get an answer.

-- Rob --

 

by: iistechPosted on 2009-03-13 at 10:11:46ID: 23881502

I finally gave up, having not been able to determine which specific attributes are used for the time stamp attributes, so I had to give the generic account access to read all attributes, which worked, of course.

We like to work from the least-privileged point, but when there's no documentation on a "wierd" attribute, there's nothing else we can do.

-- Rob --

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