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What programing language would be best to run a daily search of a database and generate an auto email of results?

Asked by: vannstockwell

I have a database that I can use from access or from SQL.  I would like to create a program that lets me store names and search criteria for each person and then run those searches daily or weekly and send an email of the search results to each individual.  Since I have been out of programming for a long long time, which language would best fit these needs?  Any additional tips would be greatly appreciated.

Vann

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by: dmitryz6Posted on 2006-03-02 at 20:06:44ID: 16091738

I believe easiest and cheapest way to go use Access VBA .You will need less time and knowledge to create this interface, and if you are going to use Access Database as well. Only question if you are going to use Access as Back End, you need to know size limits as well, but for interface Access VBA.If you are owning Access you don’t need new licenses .If you like to do it as multi-user interface you can supply Run time version as well.

 

by: sachinwadhwaPosted on 2006-03-02 at 23:01:07ID: 16092227

or use Perl, which is much faster, free & easy to learn.

 

by: ukiPosted on 2006-03-03 at 01:09:08ID: 16092660


On linux machines I use mysql and perl for this.

and on windowss i use mysql and VB6 + MyVBQL (a mysql lib thats much more stable than odbc) download from http://www.icarz.com/mysql/
I have about 30 of this running on difrent companies to do exactly what you describe.


 

by: NavicertsPosted on 2006-03-03 at 06:45:56ID: 16094743

Depending on the numbers of records or size of the reports that you are going to be emailing out you may want to consider going with ASP or PHP and a web server.  If the number of records was large you can email people a link where they can view all the records within their given data set.

You can also set up jobs in SQL Server to auto-email people if certain criteria have been met on queries that you execute via a job on a schedule.

This would be my first plan of attack anyway.

Good Luck

 

by: vannstockwellPosted on 2006-03-03 at 08:00:51ID: 16095588

I don't really know how to say this without putting in the extras.  I have SQL and I have Access.  In the beginning Access has a level of comfort because I have used it and is currently where the data is located.  However, long term I am going to have to go to SQL because of the next two steps that I am going to have to take.  This question is revolving around getting the short tem solution and then direction for the long term fix.  All of the previous answers are valid and I have changed my mind on which is best several times.  I was thinking Access because I am not having to learn two different programs at once for the short term and I would like to get it working as quickly as possible.  But, putting the data from access to SQL is not that hard and having a scheduled job run in SQL is the ticket.  Do any of the other options allow a scheduled solution or do we have to manually run the programs ourselves?  Also getting this web based to where users can change their selections themselves is a good feature.  With that added comment is there anything else any of you would like to add for this first part of my project?  Thank you alot for taking time to give me some ideas.

Vann

 

by: NavicertsPosted on 2006-03-03 at 08:11:07ID: 16095681

Don't be afraid of the switch from Access to SQL server.  If you are good with Access I think you will find many things in SQL Server that are familiar, after all the same company made both.

I am not sure about automating the running of scripts via Access, perhaps it is possible im not sure.  If you really need to implement it that way (and it is not possible to schedule things via Access) I would look into Windows scheduler.  Basically, Windows scheduler will open a program at a given time/schedule, it's an inherent feature of Windows.  If you had a program that would auto-execute upon being opened you could schedule this program to open via Windows scheduler.

However, I would really push to putting your data on SQL Server if you know you are going to have to.  

Some thing's to think about....

Are you getting close to the 2 GB limit of the Access file?
Do you need many users to be able to access the data at the same time?
If you hold off and move it to SQL Server later will there be more data and more potential problems with the x-fer?

Good Luck!

 

by: vbellis-rdyPosted on 2006-03-03 at 08:40:07ID: 16095955

Hi Vann,

We all have to go on learning curves, but frequently its best to use our existing skills. You mentioned that you have done programming in the past, what languages, whats your strongest language ..?

If possible go back to your roots, which database you choose depends upon many factors. If your application is going to be used by many users at the same time (over 10) then go with an edition of SQL Server.

If the number of users will always be less than 10 and the size of the database is unlikely to reach 2GB of disk space then go with Access 2000/2003.

Win32 Application
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VB Pro 6.0 with Access/SQL Server (for rapid development, lots of support material on the web)

Web Based
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PHP or ASP with either Access or SQL Server back-end (again lots of support on the web).

Give me some more technical background,
VBEllis-rdy

 

by: vannstockwellPosted on 2006-03-03 at 09:03:03ID: 16096196

All answers are valid and require points.  Thanks to all of you.  I am going to look at PHP and ASP with SQL.  Is there a reason to lean either way since I know nothing about either of them?  I am going to also get access VBA and look at Pearl.  I thank all of you.  I might be biting off more than I can chew if I look at all of them, but I need a one month working on it part time solution first, then I can go on.  Thanks again.

 

by: vannstockwellPosted on 2006-03-03 at 09:15:04ID: 16096302

VBEllis-rdy added a comment why I was stuck on what I was stating before.  So I never saw his comment before posting mine.  I am 10 or 15 years out of programming.  I knew Basic, Visual Basic, Fortran, and Assembly.  I understand how it works, but even though I am only 37 I feel like I am 80 in programming years.  Old and forgotten.

For the next four months it will be only me in the database, but in the future it has to be integrated into a webpage and I would like 100 people or more to be able to change their preferences at once if need be.  Long term it has to be PHP or ASP and SQL.  Not a doubt in my mind now.  Don't know the advantage of either one though.  For getting up in the next month in as little time as possible I believe it is VB and access.  Does that sound correct to everyone?

 

by: dmitryz6Posted on 2006-03-03 at 12:43:54ID: 16098212

One more may be should be mention.Access Interface as FE, in future you can use if you will switch BE from access to SQL Server

 

by: wstuphPosted on 2006-03-03 at 13:10:20ID: 16098467

As Navicerts was unsure of it, I figured I'd let you know that you can, in fact, set Access up to automatically run something like this via windows scheduled tasks.  

However, I really dislike Access's emailing capabilities.  It can be really tricky to set it up in such a way as to get around windows security of having to physically click OK for every sent email - no fun at all.

A couple of people have mentioned perl, but let me throw Python out there as another scripting language you might want to look at.  It's a LOT more user-friendly (or at least human-readable) than perl, has a lot of free code out there you can grab and modify to your needs, and the learning curve isn't bad at all if you've written code before.  If you know the database queries you want to write and have much of the DB already together, you could probably set something like what you want up in under 10-15 hours, then set it up as a scheduled task.  

As far as php vs. asp - if you're comfortable with Visual Basic you'll be better off with ASP - reasons for PHP are generally the fact that the hardware/software is much cheaper (no windows/SQL server/IIS licenses to purchase).  If you're going to do PHP you're better off on a linux server (LAMP - Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP is a very common term for this sort of setup), if you're going to do ASP you have to use a windows server.

 

by: vannstockwellPosted on 2006-03-03 at 13:12:23ID: 16098495

Didn't understand your post until I just did some research on Access FE and Access/SQL BE.  After reading another article in here that makes perfect sense.  I can do Access FE with Access BE and then switch BE to SQL and then keep using the Access FE until the SQL stored procedure is built and ready.  I will close this question when I get home this evening.  I really do appreciate the interest that I saw in my question today and it strengthens my belief in what this website can offer when it is used like it is supposed to be.  Thank you ALL!!!!!!!

 

by: acwngPosted on 2006-03-04 at 05:08:48ID: 16103242

I definitely choose VB6 for the front-end as it is very easy to pick up for programming begineer.

 

by: vbellis-rdyPosted on 2006-03-04 at 14:00:01ID: 16105112

hi vann,

sorry for the delay .. I dont think personally the development IDE (VBA) within access to be very good. If I was going to use an application FE I would definately develop that in Visual Basic Pro. Although these days, more and more web based systems are being used like applications.

It sounds like your product would be best suited as being web based, I would not use ASP.  PHP is being developed by the open source community, its not limited to Microsoft developers. Its being developed by some of the best coders on the planet! You often see PHP FE with MySQL BE, again both are open source.

PHP can be used with Access or SQL Server and MySQL (amongst others). Think to rememebr is that Access is just a client database tool .. SQL Server/MySQL are server based technologies, designed to be scaleable to millions of users.

Its your choice in the end ;-), it took me around 1 month to learn the basics of PHP and produce a FE with SQL BE.

Good luck.

 

by: vannstockwellPosted on 2006-03-05 at 20:53:07ID: 16111808

There was no way to divide these points correctly.  Lots of people had great ideas.  Some were a little more informative than others, but all of them had merrit.  I do appreciate you all for what you have done and I hope no one is offended.  Thanks all.  Most likely I will be back in a little bit with more specific questions, but right now it is time to find so code.  HAHA

 

by: vbellis-rdyPosted on 2006-03-07 at 02:14:40ID: 16122302

Thanks, everyone is learning ;-)

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