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ODBC DSN with 64-bit SQL Server

Asked by: DanRollins

I have a client who has installed my software on a 64-bit box, making database connection to a 64-bit Ms SqlServer 2005.

My software's default connection string is like:
     DSN=mySystemDsnInOdbcMgr;UID=myDbUserName;PWD=myPasswordForTheDbUser

Alas, that sort of connection string appears to be non-functional.  The client discovered that using a custom connection string like:

   Driver={SQL Server};Server=myServerAddress;Database=myDB;Uid=myUsername;Pwd=myPassword;

works.  Does anybody know why the old "DSN=..." type of string fails?  How about a work-around?  I need to create a new built-in connection string for this situation, but I have no way to know the
     myServerName
value.  One of the reasons to use ODBC was because that's part of what the user sets up when creating the DSN.

Also, the client has tried creating DSNs by selecting each of the
    SQL Server           ... and the...
    SQL Native Client
drivers listed in the "Create new Data Source" dialog from the ODBC ControlPanel  applette.  Neither one creates a DSN that my software can select with its "DSN=..." type of connection string.

Thanks for your help!

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2007-07-05 at 15:40:11ID22678174
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by: digicidalPosted on 2007-07-05 at 16:21:37ID: 19428373

Which 64-bit OS is the client using for the application? (XP/Vista/Server2003) and what service packs are installed?  Beyond that I have read of numerous issues with this setup (although I don't have mine setup that way at the moment so I can't test directly.  In each case there were different solutions, so I'll list them and you can see if any of them help:

If Server 2003 SP1 - install SP2, in fact if anything isn't updated to the latest hotfixes and service packs do that first.
If latest SQLNativeClient isn't installed - get that.  Not sure if they changed that but the earliest releases of 2003/x64 didn't come with MDAC at all and only had a SQLNativeClient available.

In some cases it's a problem with the application itself - if running on a 64-bit OS but developed as an x86/32bit app, then make sure it's installed on the system as a 32-bit application and not as a 64-bit application.  This has been known to cause problems in communicating with 64-bit systems.

If using SQLExpress rather than the full MSSQL2005 - All connections are defaulted (and possibly restricted to - not sure on that) to named pipes and IP connects are either forbidden or at least default to be turned off.

If none of those help you then I'm probably not going to have the answer for you and hopefully someone else with more experience with the newest releases of 64-bit OS/SQL versions can help.  I'm still running good 'old' 32-bit versions and don't have those problems (yet).

 

by: DanRollinsPosted on 2007-07-05 at 21:18:57ID: 19429512

I don't know what platform he is running my software on (and I can't test or verify the problem).  I do know that every other part of the program runs perfectly and that even this part works fine when the "Use custom connection string" option is selected and the other (non-DSN) string is used.  So I think I can rule out any oddities about my 32-bit software being installed wrong on his 64-bit platform.

I got a hint from somewhere about the 64-bit vs. 32-bit ODBC Manager, but I could not verify it or get additional info.  I'm hoping that someone has direct experience with this.

-- Dan

 

by: tedbillyPosted on 2007-07-05 at 22:25:34ID: 19429692

I know what the issue is.  The 64-bit operating system doesn't have as many choices for ODBC drivers.  Go to Administration Tools on the 64 bit client system and look at the Drivers tab on the Data Sources (ODBC) tool.  Count them and compare them to a 32 bit system!

The connection string you are using is actually better (even on 32 bit systems) because the SQL server driver is faster than the default ODBC in your first connection string.

 

by: DanRollinsPosted on 2007-07-06 at 14:25:58ID: 19435185

I think I've found the simplest solution.  It appears that there are two programs named
       ODBCad32.Exe
(which handles the ODBC Data Source Administrator dialogs).  On a 64-bit client, the one that comes up normally only displays the 64-bit database Drivers (and apparently the old/reliable standard "DSN=" syntax is not supported -- or something -- by the 64-bit ODBC Administrator or the 64-bit driver).

The solution recommended to me is to manually run the 32-bit version of the ODBC Administrator.   It can usually be found at:

      C:\Windows\sysWOW64\ODBCad32.Exe
                           ========

And then set up the DSN as usual.  According to what I read, that will create a 32-bit DSN that my 32-bit program should be able to access normally.

I am not able to test or verify this, and I'd really appreciate it if someone running 64-bit Windows would check it out (verify the file location and functionality) before I pass the info on to my client and update the documentation.

Thanks!
-- Dan

 

by: tedbillyPosted on 2007-07-06 at 14:42:11ID: 19435295

Hmm, I've never heard of that technique.  Logically it makes sense that it could work, otherwise why would Microsoft bother to leave it there?  I have 64bit systems at work that I actually want to try this with (I've had similiar problems) but I won't be able to do it until Monday.  (I'm at home today)

 

by: digicidalPosted on 2007-07-06 at 17:35:45ID: 19435952

Dan - I can't say for sure because I realized that I had to redo my 64bit 2k3 box to 32bit due to printer driver issues, however I'm sure that's correct because it is referrenced in numerous places as being located in that path and is described by all as being the process for enabling legacy 32-bit ODBC emulation capability on a 64bit box.  Great find on that one!

Linky:
http://www.sixtyfourbit.org/64bitcorner.htm
**Scroll down to "Ascential Datastage" description here.
or
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=852739&SiteID=17
**See the response from MSFT tech Chris Lee about 1/3 of the way down.

Couldn't find an 'official' MS KB article on it, but since everyone is pointing to the same file - I think you're safe on that one.  Also since it appears to be the same as the native version in the 32bit OS's you "should" be able to copy one from a 32bit of the same service pack to that location on the off chance that it got corrupted or something but I'm sure it will be there when you look!

 

by: DanRollinsPosted on 2007-07-06 at 21:24:42ID: 19436312

From that second link, the authoritative post:

     On 64 bit Windows you have seperate[sic] 32 bit and 64 bit ODBC worlds.
     There is no thunking between 32 and 64 bit components as there was
     between 16 and  32 bit. To work with 32 bit drivers you need to run the
     32 bit ODBC administrator C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\odbcad32.exe

I've asked the client to try this out.  I'll let you all know what happens.

 

by: DanRollinsPosted on 2007-07-21 at 13:09:13ID: 19540459

My client indicated that locating and using the 32-bit version of the ODBC Administrator allowed him to create a "normal" DSN which which let my program use a standard connection string (DSN+ etc).

I consider this a flaw in Microsoft's implementation of their 64-bit SQL Server drivers and/or a flaw in their handling of ODBC Administration in the 64-bit OS.  In any case, it's good to know that there is a workaround

Thanks for your help.
-- Dan

 

by: Michael_SummersPosted on 2010-11-10 at 06:49:16ID: 34102293

This discussion of the 64-bit OS makes no mention of Windows 7 (64 bit), so as an addtional comment I can confirm that the use of the C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64\odbcad32.exe to create the DSN for applications accessing a MS SQL Express data source MUST be used from a 32 bit application running in the 64 bit windows 7 environment.

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