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Float Encryption

Asked by: Kachele

I am attempting to write a financial app in php with a mysql database.  I want to encrypt certain items like account numbers and transaction amounts.  I know I can do a simple XOR with a secret key for most items but I was wondering how to encrypt the floats (amounts) so that I will still have the ability to retreive SUM and AVG.  I was going to do a simple XOR and to get a sum do something like SUM(Amount^SecretKey) but that doesn't seem to work with floats.  Any ideas?

P.S. I am runninf the site via SSL so I already knwo about the internet security issues.  I just want the DB elements to be encrypted in such a way as to still use them effectivly in mysql - still be able to do mathmatical functions on them.

Thanks,
JK

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2005-10-19 at 17:20:32ID21601110
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by: AdrianSRUPosted on 2005-10-19 at 17:36:44ID: 15120945

I think that it is overkill to encrypt the actual data in your database.  There are other ways to secure your data that MySQL supports directly:

1.  Restrict user privileges to tables/columns that contain sensitive data (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/grant.html).  This will make sure that unauthorized users cannot view restricted data.
2.  Use only SSL connections (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/secure-create-certs.html).  This will make sure that nobody can intercept and decode the data between the client and server.
3.  Implement permission restrictions on the mysql/data directory on the server.  This will have to be done through your operating system.

If you implement these items, then your data will be much more protected than your can make it by encrypting the data in the tables.


--Adrian

 

by: KachelePosted on 2005-10-20 at 05:10:38ID: 15123498

I can no do #1 and #3.  My web hosting/mysql host won't make these changes.  I just want to know fi there's a way to perform a simple encryption on the table in the database in such a way that all the mysql function can still be performed on the data. e.g. SUM, MAX, MIN, AVG, etc...

 

by: AdrianSRUPosted on 2005-10-20 at 06:15:23ID: 15123954

You can check out the mathematical functions provided by MySQL (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/mathematical-functions.html) to see what would fit your needs.  Maybe something like:

encode X => EXP(LOG2(X))
decode X => POW(2, LN(X))

Combining a couple functions together may make it more difficult for somebody to crack, but this will not stop even a moderately skillful hacker.  If you data is truly sensitive, I would STRONGLY suggest finding a new web hosting company that will work with your security needs.


--Adrian

 

by: KachelePosted on 2005-10-20 at 08:30:48ID: 15125343

I have looked at my web hosting account and ALL three of your first suggestions are implemented.  This should make my database as secure as possible.  I guess I just wanted to add another layer in there but that seems unnecessary.  

 

by: AdrianSRUPosted on 2005-10-20 at 09:18:45ID: 15125789

>I guess I just wanted to add another layer in there but that seems unnecessary.

You are absolutely correct.  If somebody is able to beat all of MySQL's built-in security then there is probably nothing you will be able to do to your data that will stop them.


--Adrian

 

by: geomouchetPosted on 2005-10-20 at 16:38:21ID: 15129423

You could use the php mcrypt functions to add an extra layer of security for the credit card numbers.  See:

http://us3.php.net/mcrypt

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