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varchar and paddng

Asked by: LynnFogwell

I need to store source code in a mySQL database. The length can vary widely - from 50 characters to 10,000 characters.  The mySQL documentation says the varchar data type stores just the actual value of the string plus two bytes.  It also says that the query result is returned with the string padded to the max size! It may sound silly, but I want to store the actual length and return the actual length.  (the documentation says otherwise here http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/char.html). The TEXT data type seems to store the max length and I can't have that either.
What am I missing? I don't want 10k bytes coming back on a 50 byte string!  How am I supposed to deal with very widely varying string lengths?
Thanks for any help,   Lynn

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2009-11-06 at 18:00:39ID24879833
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by: BitsqueezerPosted on 2009-11-07 at 06:24:17ID: 25766416

Hi Lynn,

maybe you should take a look at this page of the documentation:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/storage-requirements.html

Even in the page you quoted there is a line saying "VARCHAR values are not padded when they are stored."

The sense of varchar (for which it is prefixed with "var" as variable) is to store and give back only the number of bytes you want up to the maximum length. The same with the "TEXT" type with the difference that it can be very much longer and it has disadvantages with performance. Only the type "CHAR" is padded with spaces because this is a type of fixed-length which gives better performance but need more bytes to save. CHAR is normally used for very short strings like indicators , i.e. "A","B","C" or something like that.
VARCHAR can be used in your case if your sourcecode not exceeds 64 KB which is the maximum possible length of VARCHAR but also the maximum possible length of the complete record so normally it must be a little bit shorter depending on the other fields of the record.
To save sourcecode it is the best to use an extra table which only has a column for an ID and a column with TEXT type where you can save your sourcecode. Next is a link to the table you want to use where you only save the ID of the TEXT table. This gives better performance as your normal table don't need to save the sourcecode, only give it back when you need it. For example in an endless form you would display a short term describing the contents of the sourcecode but not the sourcecode itself which would be displayed if the user clicks this line and opens a detail form - then a sourcecode field in the form can display the sourcecode getting it from the TEXT table. This gives you maximum performance for the normal table.
Moreover you can use the same TEXT table for any other purpose in your database where you need a TEXT column with the same method as you only must link to the ID of this table.

Cheers,

Christian

 

by: LynnFogwellPosted on 2009-11-07 at 06:46:22ID: 25766488

I was hoping that the documentation was wrong.  Here is the specific example in the documentation that says that varchar is padded:

 If a given value is stored into the CHAR(4)  and VARCHAR(4) columns, the values retrieved from the columns are not always the same because trailing spaces are removed from CHAR columns upon retrieval. The following example illustrates this difference:

mysql> CREATE TABLE vc (v VARCHAR(4), c CHAR(4));
Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.01 sec)

mysql> INSERT INTO vc VALUES ('ab  ', 'ab  ');
Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec)

mysql> SELECT CONCAT('(', v, ')'), CONCAT('(', c, ')') FROM vc;
+---------------------+---------------------+
| CONCAT('(', v, ')') | CONCAT('(', c, ')') |
+---------------------+---------------------+
| (ab  )              | (ab)                |
+---------------------+---------------------+
1 row in set (0.06 sec)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for your answer.  I messed up on the max store for TEXT.  I had written TEXT off because I had seen posts about it being 3 times slower than varchar.

Thank you very much.  I'll be running storage and speed tests today!
Lynn

 

by: BitsqueezerPosted on 2009-11-07 at 07:07:39ID: 25766534

Hi Lynn,

I think you've understood this example in the wrong way.
What happens here is that the INSERT command saves a value WITH spaces - and VARCHAR saves this space which is correct - but it doesn't do any padding. If it would be a padding then if you would insert "ab" in a field of 10 bytes the result would be "ab        " (8 spaces). This is not the result of a query, you would get back "ab" which means it stores and gets back the same number of bytes in both cases (plus extra internal bytes only used for saving the length of the field but this is always be maximum 4 bytes following the documentation).

The "problem" with CHAR is: As it is a fixed-length column if the column is defined as CHAR(10) then it saves 10 bytes in all cases, so "ab" would be 10 bytes, "ab " would be 10 bytes and "ab        " would be 10 bytes on the tables. It is a speciality of MySQL that it automatically cuts off the last spaces when you get this back in a query, so "ab        " is "ab" in the result. This is not the case in other servers, for example MS-SQL Server saves "ab        " and it will give you back "ab        " (and it stores, like MySQL, 10 bytes in any case). You can switch on an option in MySQL which let it behave like MS-SQL if you want, but the automatic cut-off as default is a good idea in my opinion. In MS-SQL  you must do it on your own if you don't need the extra spaces. More than this: If you save "ab" you would normally get back "ab        " in MS-SQL in any case (like you would in MySQL).
As I mentioned above - the reason is that this gives better performance because the SQL Server (any SQL Server) don't need to check the data, it can save it and retrieve it back without change. The MySQL default setting of cutting off the spaces is an extra which maybe make the performance slower than in case of SQL Server.

Don't mess up with TEXT, this is not so bad as it sounds. Yes, it is a lot slower like other formats - but if you have 10.000.000 records with a very large VARCHAR storing the sourcecode I think it is a lot slower to retrieve a list of records in this case especially if you use something like SELECT * (which in very many cases is a bad idea). If you use the ID method I mentioned above your table will be very performant as you only need to link to the second table when you really need it - and in case of displaying a single record you would not see any difference between VARCHAR and TEXT - it is microseconds in this case which doesn't make any difference for the user or the performance of a form.
The most often problem with creating tables is that developers creating a lot of TEXT fields in a table so they don't need to think about the size of the field and in THIS case a table will get slow. Storing a TEXT (or BLOB etc.) in an extra table gives you the best performance with the best possible size variants so you get the advantages of both without the disadvantages.

Cheers,

Christian

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