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SQL to link MANY tables and subtables

Asked by: ShaymusBane

I'm working with an older Oracle 8 database, that has a LARGE number of 'features' in it.  In case you've missed the tongue-in-cheekiness of my first sentence, this database is HORRIBLE!  

Anyways, I'm plodding through doing the best that I can...but I've run into a stumbling block...I'm doing a rather nasty query, that requires joining 13 tables on their respective IDs!  I can get it to work for 12 of the joins, NO problems...but the 13th join is causing me grief.  

The main table is an asset table, which has rows for model_id, manufacturer_id, vendor_id, employee_id, etc. etc...each of these 'id' fields links to a corresponding table.  Each of these new tables (ie. employee table, manufacturer table, model table, etc.) has a proper description of the item within it.  I've performed all of these joins, without a hitch (they're all equi-joins), BUT, the employee table has a 'rank_id' field within it, that is joined to the rank table, and refers to the proper description there....this is the unlucky 13th table.  

Is there a way that I can do all the other 12 table joins, AND perform the join of the
assets.employee_id-->employee.employee_id-->employee.rank_id-->rank.rank_id-->rank.description ????

As I said, the existing table structure is terrible...ugly too, but it's beyond the scope of my position to redevelop the existing database....any assistance would be helpful.  I can post the actual sql statement that i have working with the 12 table join...not sure how much it'll help, but those joins are all relatively straight forward, it's this 'join of a join' that has me stumped.

Thanks in advance...

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by: TroyKPosted on 2003-06-03 at 11:04:09ID: 8641117

ShaymusBane;

Not sure from your narrative what you're after other than something like this:

SELECT e.Employee_ID, e.EmpName, r.[Description] --some other column names...
FROM Assets a
INNER JOIN Employee e ON a.Employee_ID = e.Employee_ID
INNER JOIN Rank r ON e.Rank_ID = r.Rank_ID

If this isn't the solution, can you post simplified DDL, some sample data (in the form of INSERT statements), and your expected output?

HTH,
TroyK, MCSD

 

by: ShaymusBanePosted on 2003-06-03 at 11:36:49ID: 8641410

Hmmm...I hadn't even USED 'INNER JOIN' to join the other 12 tables...just used

SELECT a.asset_number, e.employee_number, m.model_desc
FROM assets a, employees e, models m
WHERE a.employee_id=e.employee_id AND a.model_id=m.model_id

This worked fine for all the other tables...am I way off base???  Is there a performance loss / gain doing it the proper (I recall using 'INNER JOIN' keyword to do my joins before) vs. WHERE joins???  And I keep getting syntax errors trying to use the INNER JOIN method...says something about the SQL command not being properly ended?

 

by: TroyKPosted on 2003-06-03 at 11:50:27ID: 8641510

ShaymusBane;

I believe that the performance between pre-ANSI-92 JOIN syntax (comma list, join predicates in WHERE clause) vs ANSI-92 + (INNER JOIN ... ON ...) should be identical. The reason I developed the habit of using INNER JOIN ... ON... is to prevent accidental cross-joins by missing a predicate in the WHERE clause. Also, it translates well into OUTER (LEFT, RIGHT and FULL) joins, giving you more control.

With 13 tables, it would not be suprising to find that you may have referenced an incorrect table alias in your WHERE clause. If you want to post the query, I can take a look to see if anything jumps out at me.

HTH,
TroyK, MCSD

 

by: ShaymusBanePosted on 2003-06-03 at 12:04:37ID: 8641633

SELECT A.ASSET_NUMBER, A.SERIAL_NUMBER, A.CLASSIFICATION, T.DESC_E AS ASTY_DESCE, S.DESC_E AS STATUS, V.DESC_E AS VENDOR, MAN.DESC_E AS MANUFACTURER, M.DESC_E AS MODEL, N.DESC_E AS N_DESCE, N.NTIM_CD AS N_CODE, L.DESC_E AS LOCATION, AC.DESC_E AS ASSET_CENTRE, E.FIRST_NAME, E.LAST_NAME, D.DESC_E AS DA_CENTRE, A.DIVISION, A.SECTION, P.DESC_E AS POSITION, A.EMPL_ID

FROM ASSETS A, ASSET_TYPES T, ASSET_STATUSES S, VENDORS V, MANUFACTURERS MAN, MODELS M, N_ITEMS N, LOCATIONS L, ASSET_CENTRES AC, EMPLOYEES E, DA_CENTRES D, POSITIONS P

WHERE A.ASSET_NUMBER='010846' AND A.ASTY_ID=T.ASTY_ID AND A.ASSS_ID=S.ASSS_ID AND A.VNDR_ID=V.VNDR_ID AND A.MNFC_ID=MAN.MNFC_ID AND A.MODL_ID=M.MODL_ID AND A.NTIM_ID=N.NTIM_ID AND A.LOCN_ID=L.LOCN_ID AND A.MANAGING_ASCR_ID=AC.ASCR_ID AND A.EMPL_ID=E.EMPL_ID AND A.DACT_ID=D.DACT_ID AND  A.POSN_ID=P.POSN_ID

This is the ACTUAL query I'm running...it works fine for any asset number I enter...I havn't implemented the 'rank' part in this...but what I was doing, was putting RANKS R in the FROM clause, and then doing an E.RANK_ID=R.RANK_ID in the WHERE clause, and putting R.DESC_E AS RANK in the SELECT clause... :(

 

by: TroyKPosted on 2003-06-03 at 12:29:39ID: 8641842

ShaymusBane;

It looks like what you're proposing is rather straightforward, so perhaps I'm misunderstanding your problem. Are you getting results back when you add the RANKS table to the query (with the appropriate WHERE condition), or are you getting an error of some kind?

If you're getting results back, but they are not what you expect, my guess would be that you have multiple rows available in the RANKS table that match up to the RANK_ID stored in the EMPLOYEES table, and end up with multiple rows, one for each of the RANK_ID's.

If this is the problem, you will need to decide which of the multiple DESC_E values for the particular RANK_ID you want to display. If I'm on the right track here, go ahead and give me the RANKS table structure and let me know which column is unique (in combination with the RANK_ID), and what your business rule is for which one to choose.

HTH,
TroyK, MCSD

 

by: ShaymusBanePosted on 2003-06-03 at 13:10:59ID: 8642221

I'm not getting any results back from my performed query...I've checked the RANKS table, and rank_id is an auto-increment, with indexing (ie. no duplicates allowed) column.  

As for the error I'm getting....I'm accessing the database through an ASP front end, and it works fine without the ranks table (using SQL Plus it works too) but as soon as I put in the RANKS table, it gives me

"Either BOF or EOF is true, or the current record has been deleted.  Requested operation requires a current record."

In my test browser (IE), and it stops working in SQL Plus also...is it possible that there are null values somewhere they shouldn't be, and that is gumming things up???  I agree, that it SHOULD be rather straightforward, but after writing, and re-writing that query a half dozen times (in different orders too!) I decided to try the experts ;)

Darn!  I just got it working in SQL Plus, but I'm still receiving the above error...only on SOME assets though!!!  

Any suggestions??  Oh...and for your assistance, and information, the points (although few) were more than earned!!!  Thanks for the patience too TroyK!

 

by: ShaymusBanePosted on 2003-06-03 at 13:14:36ID: 8642251

Oh...and kinda silly question, but any possible explanation why I'm receiving a few thousand less records AFTER the join than I was before??  Does this have something to do with the type of join I've done?  I recall seeing cases where you can include or exclude null values or something like that...??

 

by: TroyKPosted on 2003-06-03 at 14:31:40ID: 8642919

ShaymusBane;

I think you're on the right track in that the "Either BOF or EOF..." error is because you're getting no rows back from your query. You should check for BOF and EOF in your client-side recordset before trying any operations on it (such as MoveNext)...

MyRS.Open("SELECT ...." etc.)
If NOT (MyRS.EOF And MyRS.BOF) Then
  ... Do something with MyRS
  MyRS.MoveNext
  etc.
End If

>> any possible explanation why I'm receiving a few thousand less records AFTER the join than I was before??

This is probably because there are a number of RANK_ID values in your EMPLOYEES table that don't have corresponding RANK_IDs in RANKS, so the INNER JOIN effectively filters these out.

>> Does this have something to do with the type of join I've done?

Probably... see last answer

>> I recall seeing cases where you can include or exclude null values or something like that...??

If, in fact, your referential integrity rules in the DB design specify that an EMPLOYEE can contain a value for RANK_ID for which there is not corresponding RANK_ID in RANKS (i.e., E.RANK_ID can be NULL, or there exists no Foreign Key constraint), then you can LEFT JOIN to RANKS to get all your rows, regardless of their existence in RANKS. Here's a simplified sample. You may want to consider switching to the INNER JOIN syntax for the rest of your query...

Table: "Preserved"
PID  PVal
----- ------
1      Test1
2      Test2

Table: "PChild"
PID   ChildVal
----   ----------
1      Child1
                     -- <<< no PID 2 in this table


SELECT p.PID, p.PVal, c.PID, c.ChildVal
FROM Preserved p
LEFT JOIN PChild c
  ON p.PID = c.PID

RESULTS:

PID   PVal   PID    ChildVal
-----  ------- ------  ----------
1      Test1  1       Child1
2      Test2  NULL NULL

1 row for every row that exists in the Preserved table. When there is no corresponding row in the PChild table (based on matching PIDs), the columns contain NULL in the resultset.

HTH,
TroyK, MCSD

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