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Who can explain me this behaviour ? 500 easy points, it's Xmas day

Asked by: VGR

table.field STOCK.FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN is of type DATE (Ora 9.2, so it's in fact a DATETIME) and may be NULL

SELECT value FROM v$nls_parameters WHERE parameter = 'NLS_DATE_FORMAT'; returns DD/MM/RR

inserting into this field proves weird :

INSERT INTO STOCK (FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN ) VALUES ('')  is ok
INSERT INTO STOCK (FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN ) VALUES ('20030101') is ok
INSERT INTO STOCK (FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN ) VALUES ('20000101') raises ORA-01861 the infamous format string error

needless to say, the original query :
INSERT INTO STOCK (FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN ) VALUES ('19700101') also fails miserably

Any ideas why Oracle seems to refuse dates before 2001 in a YYYYMMDD format ?!!?

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Answers

 

by: VGRPosted on 2003-09-22 at 01:35:41ID: 9404184

for the censors behind : it's an URGENT question :D

 

by: anand_2000vPosted on 2003-09-22 at 01:39:19ID: 9404196

DD/MM/RR
the date should be entered as
01/01/00 or 01/01/2000
or
01/01/03 or 01/01/2003

In present code it is taking our input string as
20/00/0101

There is no month 00 so the error
tr entering 01012000 it will work

 

by: Bigfam5Posted on 2003-09-22 at 03:06:41ID: 9404612

anad200v is correct, the problem arises from the NLS_DATE_FORMAT DD/MM/RR.  
However, you should always explicity convert a date string and not rely on Oracle.  None of the statements will fail if they are written:

INSERT INTO STOCK (FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN ) VALUES (TO_DATE('','YYYYMMDD') );  
INSERT INTO STOCK (FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN ) VALUES (TO_DATE('20030101','YYYYMMDD') );
INSERT INTO STOCK (FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN ) VALUES (TO_DATE('20000101','YYYYMMDD') );
INSERT INTO STOCK (FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN ) VALUES (TO_DATE('19700101','YYYYMMDD') ) ;

 

by: VGRPosted on 2003-09-22 at 04:29:54ID: 9404960

I'm not stupid, you know ?!? ;-)

And how come that other dates entered in the above conditions do work perfectly well ?

For instance 25/03/2003 (TOAD display) was entered as 20030325

So why not 20000101 ?

 

by: seazodiacPosted on 2003-09-22 at 07:02:04ID: 9405774

VGR:
take it easy....

when you insert into the table with the value '20030325', you can successfuly execute it but that does not mean you have entered the correct value..
Here is the output of your select query:
INSERT INTO STOCK (FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN ) VALUES ('20030325');

1 row inserted.

select  FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN  from stock;

FECHA_EMISION_ORDEN
20/03/25  -------->look what happened here??? it's wrong value .

So anand_2000v  is correct on this..


 

by: VGRPosted on 2003-09-22 at 09:12:27ID: 9406769

then I'm lost. Current coding (above) results in correct dates using the abnormal syntax.

I'll have to double-check

 

by: Bigfam5Posted on 2003-09-23 at 05:26:51ID: 9412271

VGR,

There was no offense meant by my comment.  What I only meant that it is good practice to explicitly convert to avoid any errors.  What oracle will do is accept a string that it can implicitly convert using the NLS_DATE_FORMAT.  It can result in erroneous date, just as seazodiac's example did.

 

by: VGRPosted on 2003-09-23 at 10:08:33ID: 9414616

I agree. I'm just trying to understand WHY the above "wrong" method did apparently work right, until I used the date '19700101' (epoch0)

 

by: seazodiacPosted on 2003-09-23 at 10:13:38ID: 9414656

in general, VGR, it is probably the best to set NLS_DATE_FORMAT to some default, but in the insert and update statement,
use the explicit date conversion , because you can gain performance that way

 

by: VGRPosted on 2003-09-23 at 10:26:17ID: 9414764

the more I know Oracle, the more I hate it :D

 

by: seazodiacPosted on 2003-09-23 at 10:29:48ID: 9414786

VGR:

Trust me, I am from MSSQL Server originally, now I have been using oracle for about 4 + years,

There are pros and cons on each of them, but Now I prefer Oracle over MS SQL server.....

try to enjoy.....forsake the hatred....

 

by: VGRPosted on 2003-09-23 at 11:50:38ID: 9415403

of course that Oracle is better than SQL-Server... How could it be the reverse ? :D :D

Now, as I come from a real , modern, powerful & fast RDBMS, I have problems understanding Oracle's limitations in some areas, inclusing DATE & TIME and the internal non-standard DATETIME format, STRING manipulation, etc

I worked in Oracle 5 and 6 during my youth, but I hadn't noticed those oddities :D

As for my above problem, I think you all gave me what you could ("la plus belle fille du monde ne peut donner que ce qu'elle a") and I will come back later after having checked if, yes or no, the original "bad" method worked or not

 

by: wemyPosted on 2003-09-24 at 02:12:03ID: 9419275

i think you already got the answer from anand_2000v but you can easily use To_date function to format your string to be in the suitable date format to be inserted.

 

by: VGRPosted on 2003-09-24 at 11:53:12ID: 9423171

the problem is that

1) the "suitable" format isn't clear at all - cryptic query from a system table to print it out, **at last***
2) the default format isn't SQL-compliant (YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS)
3) hence the problems

 

by: anand_2000vPosted on 2003-09-25 at 22:41:20ID: 9433658

The default format is what you make it.  Each and every terriotory has a different format. The final storage is obviously SQL-Compliant. Just set a parameter NLS_DATE_FORMAT in the init file and see it behave the way you want. Oracle is a very pliable software. It will behave the way you want it. Just ask us whenever you have a doubt and your transfer to Oracle will be very smooth. Enjoy your time with Oracle.

 

by: VGRPosted on 2003-09-26 at 09:41:46ID: 9437744

a default format is the one the user gets by default. If the user has to set up the default, it's no longer the default.

PS : I will NEVER transfer to Oracle, it's more understanding how the old system did work. Modern versions use MySql :D

 

by: earthman2Posted on 2003-09-26 at 11:01:20ID: 9438303

RollRoyce and Boeing fell out over date representation..

on 11th October RollsRoyce got a phone call saying they were in default of contract and when were they going to pay the penalties!

They thought the contract was deliverable on 10th of November !

Thereafter companywide all dates had to be represented in the following format !

to_date(' 01-APR-2000 23:59:59', 'DD-MON-YYYY HH24:MI:SS' )

not every business culture understands what your default format is.

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