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Best way to monitor stored proc execution count/times?

Asked by: BenSlade

What's the best way to monitor stored procedure execution counts and elapsed times in a high volume environment?  Eg. keep stats by minute by stored proc for the number of calls and the average/min/max call times where there may be hundreds of thousands of calls per hour.  We'd like to instrument the client application, but we don't think that's going to happen because of other business priorities.

I've looked at sybase mon tables (MDA), but the way I read it, you have to keep dumping the monSysStatement and then generate the summary info yourself.  That's resource intensive.  Other MDA tables give samples of current activity, but that's not what I'm looking for.

I don't know the monitor server, other than it's a complicated thing to setup.  Can it keep track of stored proc exec counts/times by minute?

Any other 3rd party tools that you would recommend?

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2009-09-16 at 11:55:01ID24737464
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by: alpmoonPosted on 2009-09-16 at 18:01:47ID: 25351967

Actually if you can spend a day or two, you can set up either monitor server/historical server or a process to collect data from MDA tables. Setting up monitor server shouldn't take more than a few hours and you can see statistics. But to store them, you need to set up historical server as well. As much as I know historical server affects ASE performance less than collecting data by MDA tables. I might be wrong though as the latter might have been improved.

 

by: Jan_FranekPosted on 2009-09-17 at 00:38:49ID: 25353570

We are currently evaluating 'Surveillance for Sybase' from Bradmark. You may try it to see if it fits you. It works with MDA tables too, but it can store the data on separate ASE, so may be the performance hit won't be too big.

http://www.bradmark.com/site/products/sybasesolutions.html

 

by: Joe_WoodhousePosted on 2009-09-17 at 01:20:13ID: 25353785

Historical Server has a bit of a learning curve (more difficult to use than MDA, I think, although I still like it and use it sometimes).

The impact of both HS and MDA depends on what you're monitoring and how frequently you sample it.

Both use memory buffers to hold things, and in a very busy server there is a tradeoff between sampling too often (CPU impact) and sampling not often enough (lose data because buffers fill). The buffers are tunable in both cases; for HS you tune "event buffers per engine" (in a busy server I'd suggest perhaps 10,000 or 20,000), and for MDA you have the various "pipe" sp_configure parameters.

If the only thing you're capturing is stored proc calls, the impact of both will be negligible. I will be very surprised if you can measure it as over 2%.

There is very little difference between HS and MDA in terms of what they can tell you about proc calls. HS samples at user-defined intervals and writes it to CSV text files (HS does not have to run on the same box as your ASE; it connects to a Monitor Server which does). MDA inspects automatically incremented counters in memory at user-defined instants and tells you what it saw - this is a bit like quantum mechanics because looking at the MDA tables changes them. The usual approach is to select into a temp table and do something with them there.

If you're interested in aggregation and analysis MDA is actually more useful to you - the first thing I usually did with the files produced by HS was to bcp them into a table I'd created to hold them so I could run SQL against them. With MDA they're already within your ASE. (Of course you don't need to query them there if your poor production server is seriously overworked.)

It's not that big a deal to size the buffers appropriately and sample, say, every 5 minutes, dumping into a temp table. From there you can do whatever preliminary filtering you want before inserting into a more permanent table. It's best to not do anything fancy when querying the actual MDA tables themselves - and don't join them to real tables, that can be bad for performance. (The MDA tables aren't actually tables, they're stored procedures materialised as proxy tables, so doing any WHERE clauses or joins just doesn't work the same way as with real tables.)

Bradmark and similar tools are actually using the MDA tables under the scenes, they cannot give you any information you can't get for yourself. I agree they certainly make it easier and more convenient to get that data though, and the nice GUI screens always look good when a manager walks past. :)

Basically, don't be scared of MDA as being resource intensive. If you were capturing every piece of SQL and every query plan, and sampling once a minute, then you'd see some performance hit alright, but just procs? No problem. Even with hundreds of thousands of procedure calls per minute (I've seen it!) it manages fine and no users ever complained (well, any more often than they already were).

One thing to look out for with both tools - you have to make sure your meta data memory is large enough (number of open databases/objects/indexes) (and partitions in ASE 15+). If a metadata descriptor has been scavenged MDA can't tell what proc is was. Use sp_countmetadata on databases/objects/indexes(/partitions) to confirm you have enough, and oversize objects by 15-20% and indexes by 5-10%.

Good luck! There are plenty of good MDA presentations available online that give you the SQL to capture and then analyse them.

 

by: BenSladePosted on 2009-09-17 at 07:03:36ID: 31629622

Thanks for the extensive reply.  I'll try a 5 minute job to copy data to a temp table, then bcp copy to an admin server where I'll do the aggregation, historical recording.

 

by: Joe_WoodhousePosted on 2009-09-17 at 07:45:11ID: 25356845

Glad it helped!

Also, if you set up CIS proxy tables, you can save yourself the trouble of BCP out, ftp/scp, BCP in... and just insert proxy_table select from temp_table.

 

by: BenSladePosted on 2009-09-17 at 08:30:36ID: 25357314

Ok, I'll look into using CIS proxy tables.

I found a Powerpoint presentation from Sybase's 2005 TechWave titled "Advanced Analysis of Performance Problems with Adaptive Server Enterprise Monitoring Tables" at:

   http://techwave.sybase.com/tw/2005_presentations/ASE115.ppt

This presentation says that the performance overhead for the server config options needed to enable the monSysStatement table is non-trivial.  Specifically, the impact on SQL insert statements are as follows (page 34):

  • statement statistics - 12.3% 
  • object statistics - 13.0% 
  • statement pipe active - 12.5% 
It sounds like your experience was different.   No reply required, I just wanted to share the information.  I'll try it in my environment and see if the overhead is noticeable.

 

by: BenSladePosted on 2009-09-17 at 08:33:46ID: 25357352

Whoops, I should've quoted page 35 for impact on fully prepared statements (probably closer to stored proc performance):

  • statement statistics - 4%  
  • object statistics - 4.2%  
  • statement pipe active - 4.2%  


 

by: Joe_WoodhousePosted on 2009-09-17 at 14:52:20ID: 25361445

Neither of those are relevant to procs. :) Procs need only per object stats, not per statement. Statement capture is definitely expensive!!

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