Argh, my six year old hit the button, lol.
Was going to say not sure on the rebooting issue, it sounds like it could be motherboard or power supply related though. How old is your mobo?
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AMD Athlon XP 2000+/EPOX EP-8RGA probs
I seem to get very high temp readings from my Athlon XP 2000+ 1.6Gb, board Epox EP-8RGA, Std AMD supplied HS+F. From what i have heard, the motherboard recieves temp info from the chip itself, thru 1 of the pins in the socket, not thru a sensor pressing against the chip, i don't know if that's actually true or not, but i've not seen any sensor in the middle of the socket. Using USDM (hardware monitor on supplied EPOX cd) at idle i show a cpu temp of 56C/132F and mainboard temp of 38C/100F. The board and chip are new additions to this machine, about 3 weeks old, and my old system (ASUS A7V/Duron 850) had temps about the same temps. taking a quick look at the logging from USDM, the highest temp hit is 73C.
Another problem i have also regards the mainboard, this has happend twice now, within 24 hours...
First time:
i left the computer running overnight with disk defrag yawning away, woke up expecting to see it had got past 2% (that's another complaint of mine, how slow can disk defrag run!?!?) but the screens had all gone blank, keyboard lights were on, so i knew the thing was still alive. I thought that windows (ME) had gone into standby (i have the power settings set to never, but once in a while it seems to ignore these, and it always wakes up again) but i couldn't get the computer to respond, even the 3 finger salute didn't do anything. No choice but to reset, pressing the reset button did nothing, had to hold the power button down til it went to soft-off. powered on again and the computer fired up fine, thought "hmmm... strange, but oh well..."
Second time:
After running winamp for about 30 minutes, the computer did the same thing, screens blank etc. after going to soft-off, i powered back up, but...
when pressing the power button, the lights flash on once on the case, fans spin, then the fans stop, and the computer turns back off, altho the power light remains on. If you listen closely, you can bearly hear beeping, long beep, short beep, long beep, short beep..... and the only way to get the system to power again is to press and hold the power button and switch off the supply on the back of the case, after a couple of seconds the beeping will stop, and i can switch it back on.
The computer has done that a couple of times, but until now it was only once in a while while rebooting, the only way i can get the computer to boot properly is to reset the bios using the jumper inside, then boot and reconfigure the bios again. There is a nice little led module on the board for diagnostics, and watching this when booting (with the above error happening) flashes the usual "FF" (boot attempt) then flashes "CF" (test CMOS R/W function) then shuts down, the manual has 2 different sections for the codes, the descriptions above are from the full list at the back, however the FAQ at the front says "FF" or "CF" are errors meaning "Incorrect insertion of the bios chip/Updated the incorrect BIOS version/Mainboard problem/Incorrect installation of add-on card) the thing is, any time i power on the computer, those same codes flash up, even when the computer boots normally, so i think the FAQ data is incorrect I've looked at the logging for the CPU temp for times when this problem happened, highest temp was showing 62C, and the system runs stable above that temp, so i don't think that's a problem.
My complete system specs are:
EPOX EP-8RGA Mobo
AMD Athlon XP 2000+ 1.6Gb
512Mb (2x256Mb) PC2600 DDRAM (running 2x133Mhx)
On-board Graphics Disabled
Main Graphics - Nvidia G-Force 4MX 440SE (PCI, actually runs better than my AGP card)
2nd Graphics - Nvidia G-force 2MX (AGP)
3rd Graphics (i do a lot of DTP, so lots of screen area is good) - Hercules Kyro 3D Prophet 4000XT (PCI)
On-board sound
All running from 300W P/S and APC Back-UPS Pro 650 UPS (so power spikes are not a problem, i assume anyways)
Any idea's on what the problems are will be greatly appreciated, just found out that my g/f is expecting, so i can't afford to throw money away buying a new system when this 1 dies, so i gotta take care of this for a while.
Thx in advance
C_130_Herc
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The thing that concerns me about the rebooting is when it decides not to POST, as with all computer problems the rebooting is annoying, but i can survive for a while until i find the cause, but the problem of having to reset the bios then reconfiguring it each time it falls over is very irritating. Regarding the temp of the CPU, i've just decided that i will probly be overclocking the chip withing a month or 2, and am gonna go for broke on the cooling, i've gathered various pieces of "junk" from the garage and have come up with a water cooling plan, it's amazing what you can find in a mechanic's garage, and what you can do with a heater matrix from a subaru impreza! :-)
Does your fan come on when it reaches a certain temperature? I have an Epox MoB0 and 1700 xp chip. I have just recently fried mine ( I think). But one thing that I did to keep it cool was to have one wall off the cpu. The computer it self has 6 other fans. Also, when you overclock the cpu will generate more heat, thus as others have posted you will want a higher speed fan. If not, you could wire the fan to run all of the time by switching it from the cpu fan jumper to the chassis jumper. It will run at ~6000 rpm, 24x7 or while the computer is on. What happens when you take the overclock off, does it still not want to post? You might have it overclocked to much, as it comes to the MoBo and cpu. Some things to think about...
the fans are constantly running (all 5 of them), the side is off the computer (this problem with reseting the bios) and the chip is not overclocked at all, just had the problem of the computer not posting again, installed a prog and had to reboot (BSOD's started appearing, thx microsoft!) and it failed to post, reset bios and... failed to post, reset again just to be sure and... failed to post, left it for 10 mins to have a coffee and a smoke to reduce the old stress level a bit, powerd on and away it went, i'm now wondering if the power supply or mobo is getting too hot, this is the temp logged for cpu and mobo just before the restart... CPU Temp:64, System Temp:39, no monitoring for the PS tho, i now have my water cooler on my lap, built it this morning and tested this afternoon, water coming from the pump was luke warm, even with a blowtorch fired at the copper water jacket for 10 mins, so i think it'll drop the cpu temp down a bit, i'm now making plans for a couple of smaller water jackets for the graphics cards and cooler pipes for the ram, i think it is going to look more like the internals of a human body, instead of the inside of a computer soon, pink pipes flowing here, there and everywhere!
As for the defrag: It won't run properly if other applications are running in the background: virus scans, screen savers, everything not necessary to run the system must be disabled before you run defrag.
If you can, try a known-good 300W or better quality power supply. In fact, with that much video running, you may want a better-quality 350W or even 400W power supply.
If the power supply doesn't fix things, I'd suggest looking at RMA (returning) your motherboard.
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by: AlbertaBeefPosted on 2003-06-11 at 20:06:21ID: 8705092
Temperature is higher than normal if it's peaking at 73 degrees, that's for sure. But the question is, is the temperature sensor reading correctly? Either way, the Athlon XP can withstand a maximum of 90degrees according to AMD white papers, so it shouldn't be a huge issue. If youre concerned though, a better-quality high-flow fan with good quality thermal paste would make a noticable difference from the stock unit.
One of my coworkers came to me earlier today to report he just bought a 2000+ retail box processor, and that it, too, runs at over 50degrees (at idle) in his Asus board. So I don't think it's an uncommon temperature, but 73 seems high for my liking.
What kind of case do you have, and does it have adequate cooling? (additional 80mm case fan at back minimum in addition to the power supply fan). Also of note, what kind of power supply are you running? Is it a generic unit? If so, the 300W youre getting may not be of quality. Especially with more than one video card running.
Not sure on the