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Hard drive in different PC, Windows won't boot (hard drive controller?)

Asked by: RedLondon

I have an old PC with an Asus A7A266 (rev 1.10) motherboard, and the motherboard has been physically damaged with scratches on the PCB itself.  The PC won't power up, even as far as the first BIOS screen.

I've taken out its IDE hard drive (a Hitachi Deskstar), and put the hard drive into the case of a 'new' PC with an Asus K8V-SE Deluxe motherboard instead.  The K8V-SE PC works fine with its own hard drive (an SATA one), but I need to use the Hitachi IDE drive.

Windows won't boot - it gives the error "STOP: 0x0000007B (0xBA4C3528, 0xC0000034, 0x00000000)" with the accompanying help "Check for viruses on your computer.  Remove any newly installed hard drives or hard drive controllers.  Check your hard drive to make sure it is properly configured and terminated.  Run CHKDSK /F to check for hard drive corruption, and then restart your computer".

The K8V-SE has two hard drive controllers on it - the two regular IDE channels and a Promise RAID controller too - which I set in the BIOS to work in "Onboard IDE Operate Mode" instead of "RAID Mode".  Windows tries to boot and produces the same error whichever controller that the drive is connected to.

I got as far as reading the MS KB article at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314082/ about the 0x000007B error, but really don't know what it's telling me that I should do - I don't know what kind of hard drive controller either motherboard has, and can't follow its best advice of using the old motherboard in the new PC because it's the motherboard that is damaged.

I can read the Deskstar disc from a third, unrelated PC - and in fact created a copy of the data on the disc before trying to move it from old to new PC in case something went wrong.  If I need to modify files on the Deskstar disc to get it working in the new PC, therefore I can, but I don't know what I'm supposed to be modifying.

It's sounding like I may have to install Windows afresh, but I'd really like to avoid that if possible - the PC is a signwriter's and it's loaded with lots of printer drivers and graphics applications that would take ages to replicate.  We've data backups, but not a similar motherboard to use the disc on.  We'd be happy to buy a replacement A7A266 motherboard, but of course, where does one get such an old board from?!

Does anyone have any advice?  

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by: DenverRickPosted on 2008-07-06 at 08:18:49ID: 21940574

The new machine has a different Hard Drive controller.  The installed O/S is using the wrong driver for the Hard Drive.  You may find it difficult to manually stuff the correct drivers into the installed O/S, but that is what you will have to do if you want to boot.

If by remote chance the new machine's controller was not welded to the Motherboard and you could install it in the old computer and boot once, the O/S would add the drivers automatically.

Or go get a cheap controller, put it in the old machine, boot up, let it install the drivers, put that in the new one, boot and it will install the drivers for all the controllers on the MB.  Viola you should now be able to connect your drives to the MB and go...

 

by: RedLondonPosted on 2008-07-06 at 09:35:14ID: 21940799

> If by remote chance the new machine's controller was not welded to the Motherboard
> and you could install it in the old computer and boot once, the O/S would add the drivers automatically.

Nice idea... but both machines' controllers are part of their respective motherboards.  Additionally, the original problem is that the old computer *won't* boot :(

> Or go get a cheap controller, put it in the old machine, boot up, let it install the drivers,
> put that in the new one, boot and it will install the drivers for all the controllers on the MB.  
> Viola you should now be able to connect your drives to the MB and go...

Ditto - old computer *won't* boot :(

I've found an A7A266 on Ebay, maybe that's my only route.

 

by: BillDLPosted on 2008-07-06 at 09:38:46ID: 21940809

Judging by your user name you're in London, is that right?

Do you have, or do you know anybody who has, an eBay account?

If so, here is an Asus A7A266 which would be a direct drop-in replacement for your dead board, and would save an awful lot of hassle:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200235897053

Note that the Title is misspelled:
"Asus A7A266 Motherborad"
so it doesn't come up in most searches for "motherboard" and has currently attracted no bids, so it's currently at £0.01 with £5 P&P (Royal Mail 1st Class) from Huddersfield.  The seller has had 82 feedbacks and has a 100% feedback record.

The board is pictured on an anti-static bag, so it could reasonably be assumed that the seller is upgrading and is aware of the anti-static precautions, unlike some sellers who photograph their used boards sitting on a hairy polypropylene carpet!

The auction still has 2 days to run, ending 8th July at 20:12:51 (British Summertime).

If you are absolutely stuck and cannot bid on eBay for some reason, please let me know as I would be willing to bid for it (providing it doesn't attract too many bids and sell for too much) and we could arrange for you to send me a postal orderor cheque to cover my outlay (no profit on top).

Bill

 

by: garycasePosted on 2008-07-06 at 09:52:48ID: 21940853

The new machine is so much different than the old that you can't simply boot an OS configured for the old hardware -- different HAL (hardware abstraction layer); different hardware; etc.

One solution -- no idea if these guys ship to Europe or not, but they DO have an A7A266 listed for sale:  http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/product.asp?PRDCODE=MBAS-A7A266&REFID=FR

Another option less drastic than a complete reload is to do a Repair install of XP ... but this will still require reinstallation of the drivers, etc. that you're trying to avoid doing.   http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

Are the "scratches on the PCB itself" clearly breaking the traces?   If not, look carefully at the motherboard for signs of capacitor damage (swelling or leaking).   Capacitor failure is probably the #1 cause of motherboard failure ... and this can be fixed by replacing the capacitors.   If this seems like the issue, you can have the board repaired here:  http://www.badcaps.net/

Finally, one last possibility (IF you haven't tried using the disk so much that the old system's already been corrupted) =>  Download the free VMWare Server [http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ ] on a new system.   Then use the free VMWare Converter [http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/ ]  to convert your old "physical" machine to a virtual machine that you can run under VMWare Server.    If the conversion works okay (It works very well; but there ARE cases where it doesn't succeed), you'll then have a virtual machine that you can easily run on ANY new system :-)

If none of those ideas work, you'll simpy have to reload the system.

 

by: garycasePosted on 2008-07-06 at 09:57:35ID: 21940873

The A7A266 BillDL found is clearly a lot less expensive than the link I gave you about (although the one I have is apparently for a NOS board ... which may be more desirable).

But the "best" solution here ... if it works ... is to use VMWare Converter and VMWare Server => this would totally eliminate any system dependencies ... and you could run the system on ANY new PC without any future concerns for moving it yet again.

 

by: BillDLPosted on 2008-07-06 at 10:00:44ID: 21940884

RedLondon

It looks like we have both found the one and only A7A266 being sold on eBay UK from within the UK at the moment.  There are 2 on eBay US, but the P&P to the UK is cost-prohibitive at around $30 (£15) over and above the cost of the board.

 

by: RedLondonPosted on 2008-07-06 at 10:14:42ID: 21940947

Thanks folks - I am indeed in London, and emailed the UK Ebayer with the board after posting my original question here, offering him probably as much as he'd have paid for the board when it was new if he edits his listing to a buy-it-now option and posts it to me tomorrow!  (I didn't bid because then he'd not be able to edit the listing)

The scratches on the motherboard are substantial - flat head screwdriver marks around the clips for the CPU fan which was being replaced by someone clearly very strong but without too great an aim!

The VMWare option sounds interesting, but I think my best bet is trying to digest the MS instructions to install the drivers or more likely, getting this A7A266 board replaced.

 

by: DenverRickPosted on 2008-07-06 at 10:24:56ID: 21940973

If you get a replacement MB.  Since it is old, I suggest after you get it up you throw in a cheap IDE controller.  Then in the future if you need to you can move to a new system.

 

by: garycasePosted on 2008-07-06 at 10:40:50ID: 21941018

Doesn't cost anything to give the VMWare converter a try ... as I noted above, if the system converts okay, that will resolve this in a way that allows the system to run on ANY system that you simply install VMWare Server on.   Both VMWare Converter and VMWare Server are free ... and the virtual machines work very nicely on modern systems (especially if the system has hardware virtualization support).    I'd download them and give them a shot.   By the way, you could also just use VMWare Converter and then load the virtual machine in the (also free) VMWare Player ... Player only runs the VM, doesn't have any of the configuration options Server does => but that may be what you want for your user.   [http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ ]

 

by: nobusPosted on 2008-07-07 at 00:10:03ID: 21943127

look here for moving xp to new hardware :
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html                  Moving XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/249694                                "         "  

 

by: BillDLPosted on 2008-07-07 at 04:09:53ID: 21943969

RedLondon
Are you going to bid on the motherboard in eBay and will you be able to monitor the auction as it nears a close if the seller declines to pull the advert and sell to you?

 

by: RedLondonPosted on 2008-07-07 at 10:44:50ID: 21947077

Thanks - a second motherboard came up on Ebay last night and I wrote to the second seller asking if he'd offer a buy it now, which he replied to say he would - but someone else got to it before I could, so I lost it!

I just did another search and a third one came up, with a buy it now already - so I took that.  I didn't get a reply from the first seller but saw he had edited the listing to have a buy-it-now, but the third one was much cheaper so I took that one :)

I considered this job an urgent one, but after speaking with the client last night, he was far less bothered about it than even I was (and it's not even my data or business that'd fall apart if it went wrong!), so the urgency is off.  I think I'll try the VMware route out of personal/professional interest, but hope the replacement motherboard will be the easiest route to fix the problem.  I intend to boot from the replacement motherboard, introduce a USB hard disc controller, then go to the K8V motherboard (booting from the USB controller) to introduce it's own controller, and then remove the USB and hope it is happy - because the K8V PC is superior to the A7A266 one (and fans newer, PSU less dirty etc).

I'll report back - thanks all for everything so far - I think I've ended up doing a bit of everything that everyone has suggested!

 

by: garycasePosted on 2008-07-07 at 12:08:48ID: 21947704

Hopefully the boot attempts you already made didn't corrupt the OS.   As for the "... easiest route to fix the problem ..." => if the VMWare conversion works, I'd think that is clearly the easiest fix.   You would then have NO machine dependencies !!   You could use ANY system you want; and move it to any other system at will.  Run it on a reasonably modern CPU (any Core 2 with VT support) and it will even be much faster than if it was on "real" hardware.  [My XP Pro SP3 virtual machine boots in 24 seconds.]

The #1 thing I would do FIRST:  IMAGE the current system partition.   Then, no matter what happens, you can always get the system restored to exactly the state it's in right now :-)

 

by: RedLondonPosted on 2008-07-12 at 09:10:05ID: 21989571

Thanks to everyone that chipped in.  I actually wanted to take the opportunity of having the broken motherboard to 'upgrade' the PC (by moving the hard drive from a very old PC to a newer one), but after realising that it was possible only through a reinstall or virtualisation, I reverted to "just wanting to get the PC working again" ... influenced in part by the client just wanting the PC back, and for the repair to be cheap.

I acquired through eBay a replacement A7A266 motherboard, and when hooking it up, maintained hope that booting from the original hard drive, then introducing a new hard drive controller, then powering down, switching to the new PC with the newly introduced hard drive controller would work - but Windows still gave the 0x000007B (don't like HDD controller) message.

Working to a tight budget in terms of time and cost, I sent the PC back to the client simply with the new motherboard - so the PC works, but I'd still like to get the virtualisation going so will go back to that in some free time later on.  I'd liked to have looked into why the 'introduce new HDD controller on old hardware, boot from it in new hardware' didn't work, but alas, there was no time.

 

by: BillDLPosted on 2008-07-13 at 14:40:43ID: 21994330

Thank you RedLondon

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