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What does 3dMark actually mean in terms of games?

Asked by: AntonioP

I'm planning to upgrade my Motherboard and CPU.  I'm on a tight budget, so I figured out how to do it without sacrificing my RAM, soundcard, and hard drives.

However, my AGP video card has to go.  I won't be able to justify a new card until Christmas, so that means I'd have to live with the onboard graphics for 6 months.

I've currently got an athlon 1600+XP system with 1Gb of ram and an ATI 9700 TX AGP 4x card.  Data online shows this card gets about 4000 on 3DMark 2003, and 2000 on 3DMark 2005.

The new combo is an athlon 64 3400+ with the same 1Gb of ram, and an onboard nvidia 6150 GPU that will steal 128Mb of that ram. (not bad for $90!)  Online data shows this GPU at around 1200 for the '03, and 600 for the '05.

In other words, I'll have a video system that performs about 1/4 as good as I've got now.  I don't know what that means in terms of whether I can live with Half-Life II or tES: Oblivion performance for the next 6 months.  The 9700 works good enough for me, 20-30 fps in HL2 at 1024x768, all I need.  

So, please tell me, would I be able to run at 640x480, or do I need to think of something else?  Thanks.

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by: JamesTX10Posted on 2007-06-19 at 10:42:39ID: 19318089

Hello AntonioP,
I would never use onboard for a 3D game. It will not look good nor play well. Wait until you have the cash for a new video card too. Other wise you will be sad with the game performance of your setup.

Regards,

JamesTX10

 

by: garycasePosted on 2007-06-19 at 12:36:08ID: 19319067

I'd suggest you revise your plans a bit ...

You can't do it for $90 ... but you can stay under $200 and upgrade to a MUCH better system by using this motherboard:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157107

... and getting the bottom-of-the-line Core 2 Duo:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115013

This system will be MUCH faster than what you've suggested above;   will let you use your current graphics card and memory; and will support an upgrade to a PCI-e video card (and DDR2 memory as well).    ... and with your current video card, your 3DMark scores will be better than you get now, because the CPU is SO much faster than what you currently have.

... the motherboard also supports MUCH faster Core 2 Duo's --> including Quad Core CPU's --> so if you ever want to upgrade again all you have to do is buy a better CPU :-)

 

by: MeretePosted on 2007-06-20 at 06:12:20ID: 19324222

The best computers for games donot rely soley on a great video card but the balance between   good supply of ram
good  PSU
 fast processor with good ventilation.
3DMark is a computer benchmark by Futuremark (formerly MadOnion) to determine the DirectX performance of graphics cards.
The measurement unit 3DMark is intended to give a normalized mean for comparing different visual processing units, which proponents assert is indicative of end-user performance capabilities. Critics counter by stating that it is not a reliable measure of real-world performance.
There are seven different versions of 3DMark:
3DMark99
3DMark2000
3dMark2001
3DMark2001 SE
3DMark03
3DMark05
3DMark06
Real performance in games is not determined by this benchmark. Because of this, 3DMark's results have increasingly come into question over the years; while 3DMark01's results largely tallied with overall game performance (a result of it being built on the Max Payne renderer), 3DMark 2003 proved almost totally divorced from realistic gaming scenarios. One hardware site performed tests on the benchmark, and found that in 3DMark 2003, a system using a Pentium II and a Radeon 9800 would perform only slightly slower than a system with the same graphics card and a top-of-the-line (at the time) Pentium 4. In real-world games though, the Pentium II system would be totally unsuitable for playing (then-)modern games on. This caused 3DMark 2003 to lose most of its credibility
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DMark#3DMark06_features

My personal choice for the best gaming card is nvidia as  of course I own one.
XFX GeForce 8800 GTX Video Card
http://www.motherboards.org/reviews/hardware/1671_23.html

 

by: AntonioPPosted on 2007-06-20 at 13:32:14ID: 19327989

Thanks to Merete for answering my question about 3DMark, and mucho thanks to garycase for that pointer to the mobo.  I haven't paid any attention to Intel hardware this millennium, so I didn't know what to look for.

I may end up choosing that motherboard and a Celeron D 420 for only $30 more than my AMD solution, while being able to keep my AGP video card, and being able to upgrade later to PCIe, DDR2, and the Core 2 duo or quad core.  Whopee!!

 

by: MeretePosted on 2007-06-20 at 14:52:19ID: 19328648

*LOL*  you are welcome AntonioP
happy shopping for your new computer.
Regards M

 

by: MeretePosted on 2007-06-20 at 15:00:28ID: 19328708

Just a side note I use PC STATS to get good insights on whats good/bad and new for computer parts.
 They  cover just about everthing in detail.
 sign up for free news letters
http://www.pcstats.com/
http://www.pcstats.com/articlesearch.cfm?SearchValue=&Search=Search&Category=175&CategorySearch=Get+Listing&sort=date
cheers M

 

by: garycasePosted on 2007-06-20 at 16:42:42ID: 19329290

Using a Celeron-D for the initial upgrade is a good idea => let's you keep the cost down; and you can make a BIG upgrade in capability by just buying a CPU at a later time ... either a Core 2 Duo or even a Core 2 Quad  (Note:  the prices for the Quads are expected to drop a good bit in late July).

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