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Upgrade Motherboard

Asked by: b3circles

A search on the above returns various solutions but none that seem directly related to my situation.  Really it seems simple but I have had replies from no problem to I would rather poke my eyes out than try that again.  So hey I haven't asked a question since joining so here goes and I'll probably provide too much information.
First I build my own systems.  We have a workgroup that has grown over the years.  Each new system has been really easy, just put it together, add the system and then whatever software is desired.  Well now the original desktop (which runs just fine) is getting old.  Every once in awhile when powering up - no screen, no nothing.  Power down the PS wait awhile hit the button and it's up and running (yes I've cleared CMOS, etc., etc.).  Anyway I decide it is time to create a problem.  Let us replace the motherboard, cpu, video, memory and transfer the other hardware over and have a new system.

Currently it is an old system, at least five years old.  It is an ECS K7S5A mobo, AMD Athlon 2400+, SIS 735 chipset, 1024 MB DDR SDRAM, AGP 4X.  In it's day it was a good board.  Never had a problem with it and the applications that are running on it are to stay and of course where "all" of the original installation disks are is unknown (ya like the rest of you all have yours filed alphabetically by date, in a remote vault).

So of course the desired outcome is to install mobo, cpu, memory, video, transfer hardware, flip switch, see it boot, no problem, runs faster, all done, took 30 minutes or less.  Currently it looks like this:  optical drive connected to mobo primary ide as master, optical drive connected to mobo secondary ide as master, a PCI ultra 133 TX2 IDE has a 111GB (C:) and a 160GB (page file lives here), a SATA/150 PCI card with a 300GB (my docs, internet lives here), NEC enhanced USB PCI card and a video card in AGP slot.  Mobo has SIS 900 fast ethernet, connected to internet via cable.

OK that's a good description of the hardware configuration.  The OP Sys is XP Pro service pack 2.  System is progressively backup-ed by EMC Retrospect 7.5 pro to an external WD drive.  SP2 has been slipstreamed with the appropriate non standard drivers.  Theoretically I can get back to point A in case of a disaster.  I'm not going to expend a great deal of money on this venture.  Right now I'm leaning toward an AMD 64 X2 4200+ on an appropriate ASUS mobo with a minimum of 1024 MB of memory, and a new video board of course.

How do I get the new and improved to fire up and recognize everything.  I can't see where the slipstream disk will fit if anywhere since it's a picture of the old system and I expect the new to recognize the configuration as is.  The first hard disk that has C: has two partitions and the others each three.  Many a kind and well meaning individual have told me that first of all Microsoft has built XP so that mobo upgrades are not allowed unless they are contacted first to acquire some sort of new registration number.  Next the driver situation.  They say that is a pain since your backup of your current drivers is useless for the new situation.  Oh what is a person to do (wringing hands, wringing hands).

All of this verbiage to simply ask what procedures are recommended for arriving at the desired destination.

Thank You
BWC

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by: PCBONEZPosted on 2006-08-15 at 20:40:43ID: 17323302

Just a thought.
Sounds like a good time to -upgrade- from Windows XtraProblems to a -free- operating system.
Fedora, Solaris, Debian, FreeBSD or somethin'.

nuther:
Many ECS boards of that vintage have problems with bad capacitors.
http://www.badcaps.net/ident/

If you wanna keep the XtraProblems....

If you don't have your install disk -and- you've lost the key there is a small (fits on a floppy) utility called "Magic Jellybean Finder" that can recover it from your system. It can be found with google. It's legal if you use it legally.
You may need to know that key when talking to Microsoft and you will most likely have to.

I recommend that you copy all your drivers (for the new system) into a folder on your boot drive BEFORE you tear down the old system. This way you won't have to fiddle with CD's every time "New Hardware Found" pops-up. Just point the installer to the file.

Other than these minor helps your previous counsel has painted you a fairly accurate picture. It ain't gonna be pretty.
.

 

by: FriarTukPosted on 2006-08-16 at 01:21:45ID: 17324458

you'll be in for a world of hurt in my opinion, it would be easier to reinstall from scratch on the main drive, load all updates, & misc sfw. (be sure to backup any data on the main drive to one of the others)

also newer systems have probably incorporated the IDE 133 & SATA 150 as well as usb2 & firewire so you may not need those excess pci cards.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314082/en-us    stop error after moving xp hard disk to another pc
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/249694/en-us    info - moving xp to a different pc
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824125/en-us    how to replace mobo for 2k, xp, 2k3 svr
http://65.24.134.81/KipSolutions/MovingXPNewMotherboard/MovingXP.htm
http://www.theeldergeek.com/replace_motherboard.htm
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

 

by: nobusPosted on 2006-08-16 at 01:29:13ID: 17324478

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-08-16 at 13:51:22ID: 17329566

You will have many fewer problems if you just back up the data and perfom a clean installation

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-08-16 at 13:51:51ID: 17329573

. . and spend much less time overall . .

 

by: FriarTukPosted on 2006-08-17 at 21:54:10ID: 17340044

b3circles, plz provide feedback so we can know what you've tried & the results, so we can further assist you.

 

by: b3circlesPosted on 2006-08-18 at 02:38:29ID: 17340991

Hello and thanks for the responses.

At present I'm waiting for all of the components to arrive.  Here is a list:

ASUS Crosshair AM2 nforce 599 mobo
AMD A64 X2 4200+ cpu
OCZ 1GBx2 DDR2 800 dual channel mem
PNY GF7600GT cheapo video card (I'm not into gaming)
Samsung lcd monitor
and miscellaneous of; Artic Silver 5 and Artic Ceramique thermal grease; Zalman CNPS 9500 AM2 heat-sink/fan.

The Artic and Zalman as I don't know for sure what will arrive with the cpu.  If it has a heat-sink, will I want to use it?  Next if it has a heat pad will I want to use it or go with a grease and if so whether the conductive Silver 5 or non-conductive Ceramique?  I believe AMD promotes the utilization of a pad and not grease but I'd rather have it all here.  The added expense for those items is small in relation to holding up the project.

The responses are ALL appreciated and I haven't decided for sure which path to take.  I trade equities, commodities, etc. during the day and research at night, so until the end of today and all updates and backups have been performed, I'll keep it all on a back burner.  Then come Saturday (and hopefully the last of it arrives by tonight) I've advised all to leave the house and take a weekend vacation.  I'm hoping to move this system into the office, and add another monitor, and with the two other systems, be able to utilize four screens. Once that's accomplished I'll just replace this current system with a new cheapo which of course will be a new clean install - a simple build, and flip the switch.

Thanks again and I will update hopefully by the end of this weekend.

 

by: b3circlesPosted on 2006-08-31 at 20:10:00ID: 17434322

Well the upgrade turned into a new installation not because of procedures, but due to hardware problems.  Let me explain.  To explain the time lag, I had to leave town and just returned today.  I had prepared for the upgrade and was awaiting the components.  They arrived on a Friday afternoon.  I had far to much to do wrapping the weeks work and performing scans, backups, etc.  Saturday I began the hardware dis and assembly process.  My first recommendation is this - STOP your assembly at mobo, cpu, memory, video card and of course keyboard (don't even worry about mouse) and monitor.  Why you ask (some are already chuckling to themselves)?  The brand new mobo bios was no good - stuck in a loop requesting a flashing, accepting it as good and asking again.  Contacted ASUS.  In my situation I had to do this on a weekend.  I needed to be back up Monday.  Next recommendation, UNLESS you have to DON'T do this on a weekend.  The upgrade bios department is open M-F.  Oki doki, reassemble the old and forget the upgrade.  Acquire case, extra disks, etc. required for a new machine.  Fire the old up and it still works.  Put it back in office.  If you want you can quit reading here, but there is more.

ASUS, at their expense, FEDEX overnight the bios chip.  Arrives on schedule.  Assembled up to minimum point.  This time nothing on screen.  Now here is where I am glad I got the Crosshair.  It has a single line lcd screen on the output side of the board.  It had stopped at Det Mem.  Now here I was confused.  If the memory was bad now why wasn't it before - why did the screen display work with the bad bios.  Contact ASUS - continue case number.  The new bios has changed.  First it checks cpu, then mem, then video (I thought that was how it has always been - oh well it's their product) .  The display wouldn't work as the bios couldn't pass the memory.  Gave them my OCZ memory part number and was told - hey that won't work with AMD or the Crosshair.  In my defense - ASUS' qualified vendor link wouldn't work so I called OCZ who said they had been receiving similar calls for many days as the ASUS QV link wasn't working.  They provided me with what would work.

Busy day on Tuesday and research that night and the rest of the week didn't look better.  Friday night made a 200 mile round trip to pick up some Corsair.  Pop it in Sat am - and bingo bango bongo right into bios setup.  Assemble remainder of components as a non raid system with four sata's three at 320MB and one at 300MB.  Install new XP Pro - update it.  Begin restore of some data from the first system.  Bam - delayed write failed on disk #3 (a 320).  Take it out of system - no errors.  Put it back it where it was #3 (#1 320, #2 320, #3 320, #4 300).  Here we go again write fail.  Well it's new enough for warranty.  200 mile roundtrip - new 320MB.  Put it in #3 - this is getting old and probably not a disk hardware error but delayed write failure.  Move this baby all over the board - six possibilities - to no avail.  Long story short and now I believe in extraterrestrials because someone is playing with me, if I install the disks as follows there are absolutely NO problems:  #1 320, #2 320, #3 300 and #4 320 - and remember raid is NOT installed - just four sata disks.  Any way it's been running multiple apps and screens and not skipping a beat.  Tell that one to your grandchildren.  ASUS no help on this one - I set up my own truth table and proceeded through the hard disk configurations.

Picked up a Visiontek THMCE550 TV tuner card and MCE 2005 and will transform the old one into a recorder only.  With the Visiontek utilizing ATI's 550 hardware powered encoding, it should have no problem just writing the Mpeg2 files which will be transferred to more powerful machines for editing and burning.

Well sorry it didn't work as planned.  Was unable to test any upgrade procedures but sure spent a LOT of time setting up a new one.

 

by: nobusPosted on 2006-09-01 at 00:10:03ID: 17435045

>>   there are absolutely NO problems:  #1 320, #2 320, #3 300 and #4 320  <<  is there a disk with the transfer rate limited?
for the rest - i'm glad i was'nt in your shoes there - so much problems !  :-))

 

by: FriarTukPosted on 2006-09-18 at 04:26:31ID: 17542402

 

by: FriarTukPosted on 2006-09-20 at 19:07:19ID: 17565976

were you just accepting any comment to close (if so i'll put in a request to refund your points), or did you mean to award me the points for my earlier comment?

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