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page display 22"

Asked by: mun_84

Hi Experts,
                 I'm very confuse with how display actually work. Our office has 17" monitors and when we do print preview the report in Access appear fine however after upgrading the monitors to 22" the reports now come up with #### for some of the values. I've change them back to 17" and it works. How can the monitor affect the display. Even when i print the hashes come up.

I've tried installing the monitor driver and updating the graphics driver. What else do i need to do?

Thanks

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2009-10-30 at 03:17:43ID24857530
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Answers

 

by: harfangPosted on 2009-10-30 at 04:06:15ID: 25701744

Changing the screen size or the screen resolution doesn't affect the layout mechanism. However, changing the DPI value does (in [Display Settings], [Advanced]).

The DPI setting -- dots per inch -- determine how many pixels will be used to display on screen, say the number '2', size 10, 80% zoom. If it's very small, the closest match will be used from special small fonts, if it's just small, the most readable font for small sizes will be used. In other words, keeping everything else the same, changing the DPI value will force the report to use another "close match".

For numbers in small zoom settings, '1' will be narrower than '2', so you can perhaps see the value 112 in one row, but not 543 in the next...

A missing pixel in a text box is enough to cause "###" to appear (better that than showing 500 instead of 1500, isn't it? Bottom line: don't crowd your text boxes, leave enough margin for these variations.

(°v°)

 

by: mun_84Posted on 2009-10-31 at 18:14:19ID: 25712277

I would prefer not to change the Access program instead change the DPI. What value should i change it to?

 

by: harfangPosted on 2009-10-31 at 21:19:06ID: 25712592

I'm afraid I can't answer that. In my experience with older versions of Access, it was best to leave the DPI setting at the (old) default value of 96. Anything else would mess up forms. Anyway, if you display a report with a small zoom factor (anything below 75%) and/or if you use small fonts (anything below 8pt), and if your text fields are narrow, you will get this behaviour.

The same happens in Excel: use auto-fit on number columns, and print preview a full page. By playing with the window size, you can trigger the ### display quite easily.

If you really need to avoid this, you will need to add internal white space in the text fields (or the Excel columns), there is no other way.

On the other hand, it's just a preview. If the user needs to read the value, he/she will have to print the report or view it in 100% zoom.

(°v°)

 

by: mun_84Posted on 2009-11-01 at 03:12:54ID: 25713308

The problem is the printed reports have that too! so i must be a graphic card problem right? But the funny thing is on a 17" monitor is displays/print correctly. I'm not sure what to do. By the way we use Access 2007 so i'm not sure where to change the settings? Can you explain?

 

by: harfangPosted on 2009-11-01 at 03:42:14ID: 25713388

Ouch!

Changing the monitor affects printing? I'm afraid this is way beyond me... I can't begin to understand the correlation; these are supposed to use completely different metrics.

I'll see if I can get more eyes on this problem.

Sorry
(°v°)

 

by: LSMConsultingPosted on 2009-11-01 at 04:31:50ID: 25713502

What printer are you using? My understanding is that Access builds reports based on the printer associated with that report (or the Default printer on the machine), so changing the printer could somewhat affect the way Access prints the report. I know that changing printers can trigger margin alerts and other anomalies, so perhaps this is in the same area as that. Try changing the default printer on one of the 22" machines and see if that clears things up.

What font are you using? Have you tried a different font?

Have you fully updated Windows and Office? Make 100% sure of this ...

<I would prefer not to change the Access program instead change the DPI>

If by this you mean you want to alter settings on the enduser machine in order for your application to run correctly, then I'd strongly encourage you to NOT do this. If you wish to require a particular environment (i.e. WinXP SP3 only, or 19" monitors only) then that's fine, but don't expect end users to tweak their machine settings in order to get your app to run correctly. Your application should conform to whatever settings are current on the machine.

 

by: mun_84Posted on 2009-11-01 at 18:33:30ID: 25716760

We use the same printers for the 17" as well as the 22". We using the HP 5200 printers with Postscript.

It is just really weird. The minute you put in the 22" monitors the report shows differently. All the computers are up to date and our monitor that we bought is LG2242t. I've got several people complain about it already.

What do i have to change in Access for this to work? Auto FIt?

 

by: harfangPosted on 2009-11-01 at 19:12:14ID: 25716853

Autofit doesn't work well in Excel (it's what causes the problem most of the times). Instead, you should make more room:

    |12'500.00| (remove a few pixel)
    |######|

    |  12'500.00| (remove a few pixel)
    | 12'500.00|

Often, spacing is created outside the text boxes, it's better to use it inside:

    |27'800.00|  |12'500.00|

  |  27'800.00||  12'500.00|


I still don't understand the cause of the problem, though. Perhaps the 17" have a 1680x1024 resolution and the new 22" have only 1024x768 (so they are in fact logically "smaller"). Perhaps they are "plug and play" to such an extent that the DPI setting is changed when installing them?

But putting more space in your reports is never a bad idea, for stability, readability, and plain typographical aesthetics.

(°v°)

 

by: mun_84Posted on 2009-11-03 at 03:56:11ID: 25728017

ok i tried all posibility and found out that for 22"  u need to use maximise resolution. Now the users complain that on 22" 1600 x 1280 or something like that is too small. Is there something i can do in access 2007 to fix this?

 

by: harfangPosted on 2009-11-03 at 04:33:14ID: 25728259

For reports, there is nothing much you can do, except let the users access window size and zoom factor. You design for the printed page; it's up to them to manipulate the screen preview.

For reports, it's much more complicated. I have built one application where the user could select the default font, from 8pt to 16pt, and every form would resize and redraw upon opening. Quite too complex and unstable to be published, though.

There are some tools around with fancy names like "shrinker stretcher" that resizes forms to fit the current window, but I find they create a very unprofessional look and feel.

It's always been a problem with Access (and many other platforms): it's easy to develop for one screen size, but not for varying screen sizes. This is one of the reasons Web interfaces have become so popular...

(°v°)

 

by: harfangPosted on 2009-11-03 at 04:33:53ID: 25728269

Errata: second paragraph, read "For forms, ..." -- (°v°)

 

by: mun_84Posted on 2009-11-13 at 00:35:37ID: 31647923

Well i guess you have to always use full screen size.

 

by: harfangPosted on 2009-11-13 at 05:42:02ID: 25813749

I also like full-screen view for reports, even when the application uses a multi-form interface. This works especially well when reports are being previewed from a pop up form (a form in dialog mode).

Thanks and good luck with the new monitors
(°v°)

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