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Bizarre Occurence

Asked by: ex-engineer

OK, here goes. Maybe this isnt too bizarre, but I've never seen anything like it.

A desktop PC's hardware profile shows no indication of the existence of a NIC card. There is no ethernet receptacle on the back of the tower/cpu and no ethernet cable connection at all. There is only a USB connection to a Motorola cabe modem from the cable company.

The PC does have an Internet connection, though.

I don't get it:

1.) The cable modem is acting as an ethernet NIC too?

2.) How come the PC has no NIC card in the first place? Or is there a NIC card, but instead of an ethernet interface it uses a USB connection?? (Sounds ridiculous)

If I disconnect the USB cable, the hardware profile drops the Motorola SB5120 Cable Modem line item and I lose Internet access, of course.

Am I making any sense at all?? Or should I put down my crack pipe???



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Answers

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-10-07 at 13:36:18ID: 17683569

Not too unusual to connect a Modem via usb cable . . it can act as a network card with the right software.

Look in Device Manager to see if the NIC has been disabled and in Network Connections to see the USB Connection.

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-10-07 at 13:37:26ID: 17683570

Time Warner Cable tech do this a lot because it is easier and quicker than installing/configuring a NIC . . I usually undo it and connect via the NIC since it takes almost all the USB Bandwidth

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-10-07 at 13:38:42ID: 17683573

Forget about looking for the NIC . . just noticed you said it does not have one.

 

by: callrsPosted on 2006-10-07 at 13:42:42ID: 17683583

You can connect via USB to a modem instead of using a NIC.  Ethernet is better than using USB, but just how much better...? For serious networking though, you may well need a NIC.

 

by: ridPosted on 2006-10-07 at 14:27:54ID: 17683654

Proper NIC's have some rudimentary intelligence so they ease the load on the processor. USB networking is not very robust and uses more CPU cycles. Since normal NIC's aren't expensive at all the choice is easy, I think: Ethernet for networking and USB for other things.
/RID

 

by: PCBONEZPosted on 2006-10-07 at 17:13:34ID: 17684090

The SB5120 has a NIC in it and this is probably what you're seeing.

 

by: publicPosted on 2006-10-07 at 18:09:51ID: 17684636

>2.) How come the PC has no NIC card in the first place? Or is there a NIC card, but instead of an ethernet interface it uses a USB connection?? (Sounds ridiculous)

The USB driver emulates an ethernet card. USB drivers are often flakey, and a real $5 NIC could save you a lot of grief later.

 

by: PCBONEZPosted on 2006-10-07 at 19:32:21ID: 17684839

I agree with that last part!
USB -> Flakey!
Real NIC -> No grief later on.
.

 

by: PCBONEZPosted on 2006-10-07 at 19:36:51ID: 17684846

>The USB driver emulates an ethernet card.<
Not quite.
There is a NIC inside the SB5120.
The system 'sees' the NIC as an attached device through the USB just as it would see a printer or a USB based hard drive controller in a portable hard drive solution (box).

 

by: ridPosted on 2006-10-07 at 22:06:33ID: 17685127

An internal NIC on the USB controller?
/RID

 

by: PCBONEZPosted on 2006-10-07 at 22:25:36ID: 17685154

As said: inside the SB5120

 

by: PCBONEZPosted on 2006-10-07 at 22:35:03ID: 17685181

It has both USB and Ethernet jacks on the back.
If it has an Ethernet jack it obviously has an Ethernet chip or the jack wouldn't work.
Ethernet chip = NIC for all intents and purposes.

 

by: ridPosted on 2006-10-08 at 00:48:33ID: 17685460

Sorry, a misunderstanding.... The Motorola thingy has a USB interface (instead of ethernet?), right. A modern desktop PC w/o an ethernet port seems odd, though. A NIC is short for Network Interface Card, I believe, so anything used for networking might possibly be called a "NIC". Usually, however, it's like PCBONEZ says, that an ethernet unit = NIC.

If the setup works, don't fix it. If it gives problems, add a NIC to the desktop and use the ethernet interface on the modem instead of USB (if there is one).
/RID

 

by: PCBONEZPosted on 2006-10-08 at 01:48:46ID: 17685559

Yes, Motorola thingy has USB and Ethernet.
That's what I was trying to get across.

 

by: ridPosted on 2006-10-08 at 01:58:19ID: 17685564

Lol, seems brain running in powersave mode here. Excuse me!
/RID

 

by: PCBONEZPosted on 2006-10-08 at 02:00:43ID: 17685568

That's okay. "Thingy" was worth it. hehehehe

 

by: nobusPosted on 2006-10-08 at 04:59:41ID: 17685800

>>   The PC does have an Internet connection, though.   << which one ? you never said . . .
keep us guessing he ?

 

by: ex-engineerPosted on 2006-10-08 at 07:23:51ID: 17686091

Thanks, folks, for all your input.

I guess the way to look at it is to realize that the cable modem does not care how the data from the computer is brought to it. Once it receives the data, whether through Ethernet-encapsulated frames or a USB data stream, the modem is going to strip/de-encapsulate the packet anyway and re-encapsulate into the cable modem's WAN protocol. which is basically ATM with some added overhead.

Up until yesterday, I had never seen a cable modem with a USB interface that is meant to support a network connection. We are conditioned to think of USB connections as those that support peripheral devices (printers, scanners, etc), since that is its common use.

One thing that still remains a msytery of sorts is that, with 2 computer interfaces on the modem -- ethernet and USB, two PCs can connect at once and obtain 2 different IP addresses from the ISP! Now, that really is strange because the cable ISP is assigning public/global addresses, not private/1918 addresses, which cost them money and are indeed precious commodities these days.

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-10-08 at 07:27:22ID: 17686113

Most modems allow either the USB or Eathernet .. . but not both.

 

by: callrsPosted on 2006-10-11 at 00:12:15ID: 17704919

2 IPs with one modem is no mystery to me -- even with a single Ethernet port on my DSL modem!  I can attach a splitter to the modem, attach two cables -- one to the router and one directly to a computer, and thus get 2 IP's. Not all DSL modems have this capability to give 2 IPs, but some better ones do.

 

by: ex-engineerPosted on 2006-10-11 at 08:00:03ID: 17707455

callrs:

What kind of addresses are you getting from your ISP?

 

by: callrsPosted on 2006-10-12 at 01:14:45ID: 17713551

Standard IP address...
But I don't bother with dual IP addresses these days. Use to experiment with it though. A good router makes needing 2 IP addresses mostly unnecessary -- a single IP address can be shared with up to 253 computers.

 

by: ex-engineerPosted on 2006-10-13 at 07:09:36ID: 17724284

What is a standard IP address? Are they global/public or private?

 

by: ex-engineerPosted on 2006-10-13 at 07:16:31ID: 17724349

By the way, I'm not sure what you mean when you say one IP address can support 253 computers.

If you're talking about a PAT overload situation, the TCP and UDP port numbers are 16 bits in length, so you can, theoretically, have 65,536 devices sharing one public address. In reality, though, it's more like 4,000. After that, the PAT table becomes too unmanagable and loads down the translation device.

Are you talking about something else?

 

by: callrsPosted on 2006-10-18 at 23:43:48ID: 17763675

Typical home network uses a router to share Internet connection. The type of router meant for home use gives each computer on the network its own IP. E.g. if router's IP is 192.168.2.1, it can assign IPs from 192.168.2.2 to 192.168.2.254, for up to 254-2+1=253 computers.

By "standard" IP address, i mean a dynamic or static IP address given by your ISP. Yes it's global/public in that it's unique in the world & no two computers in the world can have that same IP address at the same time.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address    www.whatismyip.com

 

by: callrsPosted on 2007-03-10 at 21:02:07ID: 18696295

Asker asks "Am I making any sense at all?" and then later "Thanks, folks, for all your input...One thing that still remains a msytery..." and proceeds to ask more questions, which we continued to answer.

We've more than enough satisfied his curiosity.

Recommend: split between all.

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