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Asus A7N8X-E DELUXE Problems

Asked by: elmoredaniel

My asus A7N8X-E DELUXE motherboard has been giving me SATA problems since day one. The system frequently won't turn on unless I play around with the cable. And if I even so much as touch the SATA cable while it's running, the system reboots itself. I've tried 3 hard drives and many different cables and get the same effect.

I decided to replace the motherboard. If I get another Asus will I have to reinstalled windows XP? That's what I'm trying to avoid.

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Answers

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:01:22ID: 18152997

If you get the same board, you should not have to reinstall . .

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:02:32ID: 18153003

and . . if a different board, but  the same chipset, Network and video ( if onboard ) you may not have to reinstall

 

by: elmoredanielPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:04:35ID: 18153007

Is that something I can examine online? A link to a newer Asus board, that you think will work, would be very helpful! :)

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:14:21ID: 18153028

 

by: elmoredanielPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:20:14ID: 18153036

So what am I looking for? That list is just AMD compatible boards, surely I need more than that.

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:29:27ID: 18153051

chipset, Network and video (if onboard)

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:43:03ID: 18153071

This is an older board . . will nto be easy to match:

This is what you have:

Processor
Socket A for AMD® Athlon™XP/ Athlon™/ Duron™ 600MHz ~ 2800+
Thoroughbred core CPU ready

Chipset
North Bridge: NVIDIA® nForce2 SPP
South Bridge: NVIDIA® nForce2 MCP
FSB 333 / 266 / 200 MHz

Memory
Dual-Channel DDR 400
3 x 184-pin DIMM Sockets
Max. 3 GB unbuffered PC3200/PC2700/PC2100/PC1600 non-ECC DDR RAM Memory (Twinbank)
Expansion Slots

1 x AGP Pro/8X (1.5V only)
5 x PCI
IDE Ports

2 x UltraDMA 133/100/66/33
Audio Realtek® ALC650 6CH w/built in HP amplifier
LAN

1 Ports
MCP integrated NVIDIA® MAC + Realtek® 8201BL PHY
Special Features

Power Loss Restart
Q-Fan Technology
STR (Suspend-to-RAM)
C.O.P. (CPU Overheating Protection)
CPU Throttle
Back Panel

I/O Ports 1 x Parallel
1 x Serial
1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x PS/2 Mouse
1 x Audio I/O
4 x USB 2.0
Internal I/O Connectors

This does not say what the Network Adaptor is, but you can find that in Device Manager.  It looks like you must have a PCI card for the SATA . . maybe just do away with that?

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:44:12ID: 18153074

Scratch the last comment . . looks like the Delux model cam with SATA  Here are full specs:

http://www.dealtime.com/xFS-~KW-20731612~FD-0~NS-1~r-1~CLT-INTR~RFR-www.google.com

 

by: elmoredanielPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:44:41ID: 18153076

Yes you already said that. I need more information. Does this one work:
http://www.digital-daily.com/motherboard/gigabyte-7nnxp/

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:45:48ID: 18153080

 

by: elmoredanielPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:45:49ID: 18153081

Scratch my last comment. :)

 

by: MrBillisMePosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:49:14ID: 18153093

I similar problems with an ASUS board and after contacting the factory they did replace the board. Some boards a warranteed fpr three years and more.
It was worth the hassel, the new board is so much different than the first one and it proved it was bad out of the box.

 

by: simpswrPosted on 2006-12-16 at 15:58:57ID: 18153125

If you are not alergic to a Repair Install . . you can use any board you can find.

This is a good guide to performing a repair install

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

A Repair Install should not cause any loss of data or applications, but it is a good idea to back up any important data first.

 

by: burrcmPosted on 2006-12-17 at 01:05:30ID: 18154159

Two issues with this board. Cables, and corruption caused by the Silicon Image controller. Two solutions. A hot melt glue gun will fix the SATA cables in place both ends (Just a spot). Firm, but removable if required. Secondly this board had major issues with corruption caused by the bios switching the system off before the drives had cleard the write cache. Resolve this by disabling write caching. Slows it down a little, but at least it will start next time. Lastly, use a UPS. A small office type unit can be had for much less than $100. This avoids power failure corruption. After all this you should be fine. A new PC might be easier though.....

Chris B

 

by: AlexNekPosted on 2006-12-17 at 05:12:27ID: 18154454

On the old computer you can create the second Hardware configuration and boot with it for a new computer.
Why you think it is motherboard problem? Are you touch SATA Plugs on the motherboard? Could you try to assemble your motherboar in an other case when possible with other power supply?

 

by: x4uPosted on 2006-12-17 at 09:07:01ID: 18154941

Windows XP is actually quite clever detecting new hardware and installing suitable drivers. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to boot with almost any other mainboard and it will find some drivers to come up at least. Then you can install the the new drivers from the manufacturer of the board and remove the old ones that have an exclamation mark icon in the device manager. But you will probably have to reactivate your Windows license after that.

 

by: cliffordwagnerPosted on 2006-12-18 at 01:26:02ID: 18157308

Just a warning, Windows XP is SUPER PICKY about SATA hardware and drivers.  I have a server that I cannot even think about flashing the bios or updating the SATA drivers or it will blue-screen on startup.  I tried updating the BIOS (which includes the SATA controller's firmware) and it blue-screened, so I flashed back to the previous BIOS and then updated the drivers and then flashed the BIOS.  The result was that I had to flash back to the previous BIOS and then "Last Good State" on startup to return to the working state.  After about 5 hours of messing with the server (including using a BartPE disc to shut of "Restart on Error" in the system registry, and using an Ultimate Boot Disc to make even more changes) I was back up and running where I was before I started the process.  

In your situation I would suggest getting a brand new hard drive and installing a brand new copy of XP once you have built then new computer.  From this state connect the old hard drive as a secondary drive, run "chkdsk /F" at the command prompt on that drive, and then copy the useful information over from it.  This will provide the most stable environment.  It will also prevent any errors caused by previous failures since you have checked the drive for errors and fixed them.

If this is unacceptable and you MUST replace the motherboard without reinstalling, I would suggest getting a replacement from ASUS.  We use ASUS in all of our custom built computers because they have a great RMA department.  Their policies allow you to return it easily and they send you a replacement quickly.  Using this option will give you a replacement motherboard with the same Chipset and SATA controller.

If you need to purchase a new board get a board with the same (or very, very similar) chipset and an IDENTICAL SATA controller.  The reason for this is that the SATA controller is interpreted by Windows XP as a SCSI-type storage controller and it will not see the drives and cannot boot unless the drivers for this device have been installed.  

In some (but few in my experience) circumstances you can get away with installing the drivers for the new controller in windows before moving the drive to the new computer.  This process requires an installer that ignores the fact that the hardware is not present (or requires you to manually register the DLLs and driver files into Windows).  

This method usually fails because Windows is strict about enforcing the same hardware is used for the hard drive and the storage controller or it will assume you have copied the operating system from one computer to another and will throw up a generic blue screen relating to hard drive controller failure.  This is not a bug, it is a feature! Windows XP prevents the type of cloning that became popular with Windows 9x that allowed you to "pirate" copies of Windows from one system to another by copying the system drive and installing it in a new system (it was actually used more in corporate and educational environments where many PCs needed to be installed quickly, where all PCs were usually licensed.  To allow this type of mass-istallation without cloning the hard drives MS launched the OEM Preinstallation Environment which allows a company or orginazation to install many copies quickly to many computers).  In normal scenarios it makes Motherboard failures difficult to repair, but Microsoft has determined that it is in their best interest to prevent users from copying their hard drive from one computer onto another (or in your case move your hard drive from one motherboard to another).  

Again, as someone who handles this type of problem regularly, I would strongly suggest rebuilding with a new motherboard and hard drive, THEN installing the drive as a secondary (very important to install the second drive AFTER Windows XP has been installed).  

You have an opportunity to upgrade to a better motherboard and newer, faster hard drive.  You will need to reinstall your operating system eventually anyway,  why not now and get a significant upgrade in performance while you are at it?

Some other points to think about:

If your hard drive is an old SATA 150 (prior to SATA II with NCQ, or SATA 3.0 Gb/s) It may be an ATA 133 drive with a SATA bridge added to the circuit board to make it SATA compatible.  If this is the case you will get MUCH better performance from an upgrade.  SATA I drives were prone to unexplained timeout errors and reduced performance issues because of the bridge.

A new board may require a new processor, but for $80 you can get a good Athlon XP 64-bit chip that will be faster than the one you have, and look for a board that supports DDR 400 memory.  Try to get one with SATA 3.0 GB/s (or SATA 300 [or SATA 300MB/s {they are all the same thing (3.0Gb/s = 300MB/s after overhead is subtracted)}]) and pair that with a good SATA 3.0 Gb/s hard drive (Samsungs seem to perform nicely for their price).  The increased performance based on your new hard drive speed will astonish you. (SATA is backwards compatible so your 150 will sill work on the new board).

Let me know if you need any more information or hardware suggestions.

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