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Ethernet setup advice wanted

Asked by: hedgeselect

I have a wireless network setup in the house which suffers from interference.  Regardless of that I'm also getting my house replastered throughout and with floor boards up and bare walls broken etc, I want to run some cables around the house.

I'm moving my wireless router and dsl cable box to another room and I need to know the following.

1. What type of ethernet cable should I be using.  I have found some 5m shielded cable in the house and another 15m ordinary ethernet cable.    I will need to buy some more, one for each room at approx. 20m each in length (with the connectors there etc).  

2.  What is a RJ45 economiser like this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/RJ45-Cable-Economiser/dp/B000XMIJ12/ref=pd_sim_ce_3 and can I save myself long lenths of cables for other rooms if I run another room's ethernet cable of the back of a different room's cable with this splitter? Whats the downside/.

3. Are there any pitfalls of using an ethernet cable extender much like you can with a phone cable extender? Does quality of internet slow down with more breaks in the cable?  I have a 10mb line.

4. Is RJ45 just the connector type - any special cable or thickness required.

5. Again, why so many types of ethernet cables.  This 20m length is nearly £5 http://www.amazon.co.uk/20m-Cat5e-Patch-Cable-GREY/dp/B000IAJHQ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255178111&sr=8-1 whilst this patch cable is only 50p http://www.amazon.co.uk/20m-Cat5e-Patch-Cable-GREY/dp/B000IAJHQ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1255178111&sr=8-1  whats the difference

As my builders want to finish my walls very soon I dont think I will get all my cables laid etc in time so I need to know what my priority should be so I can extend it etc later.

Thx.

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by: wolfcamelPosted on 2009-10-10 at 06:29:11ID: 25542202

each cable must come back to a central point where you ahve the hub or switch
you can put additional hubs in other rooms if you need them later - but you cant 'split' the cable.
one cable per PC - or per device (a hub will then share one cable amongst additional pCs)
rj45 is the connector on the end of CAT5 cable.
if you are having a proper electrician do this for you it would be nicer to have sockets in the wall - as it will look much neater.

 

by: donjohnstonPosted on 2009-10-10 at 06:42:28ID: 25542244

>What is a RJ45 economiser like this one What is a RJ45 economiser like this one

Ethernet uses 2 pair (4 wires). Standard ethernet cable has 4 pair which means that 2 pair are used, the other two are not. This device most likely will split the the cable into two 2-pair connections. You can do the same thing without this device by splitting the pairs when you're terminating the cable.

>Are there any pitfalls of using an ethernet cable extender much like you can with a phone cable extender?

Yes. Connectors are a weak point in the link. The fewer the connectors, the better. Length is a greater issue though. 100 meters is the max. If you go over that length, all bets are off.

>Is RJ45 just the connector type

Yes.

>Again, why so many types of ethernet cables.  This 20m length is nearly £5  whilst this patch cable is only 50p   whats the difference

Can't say, they're both the same link. :-o

I would get a spool of cat5e cable, some RJ-45 wallplates RJ-45 connectors and a crimping tool. Put in runs from your central point (where your internet connection is) to the different rooms. Then terminate the ends. If you want to get fancy, you can put in a patch panel at the central point.

 

by: smiffy13Posted on 2009-10-11 at 23:55:21ID: 25549016

the 4.39 cable has free shipping, the 54p cable has +3.85 shipping = 4.39. Both cables are the same price.

 

by: hedgeselectPosted on 2009-10-12 at 02:48:39ID: 25549712

Unless I am mistaken, there seems to be conflicting answers between the first two.  Based on both answers, are we saying only one cable per device or can we split the signal because "Standard ethernet cable has 4 pair which means that 2 pair are used, the other two are not"?

Also what is the fastest network speed you can get.  My wireless USB adapter is 125g and the router is Pre-N.  My broadband is limited at 10mb so will a 10/100 cable be slower for transferring files between computers but unlikely to siffer from slow internet connection once it enters the house?

 

by: donjohnstonPosted on 2009-10-12 at 04:48:31ID: 25550321

10base-T and 100base-TX use one pair for transmit and one pair for receive (4 wires total). Standard Cat3, Cat5 and Cat5e cable has four pair. So most cable runs have two pair, that while they may to terminated, are not used. It is not unusual (in an economy type install) to pull one cable and split two pair for one connection and the other two pair for another. In my house I do that on the cable run to my office. In the other rooms of the house, I split the other two pair off for the telephone.

Now splitting the run will prevent you from doing POE (Power Over Ethernet) and 1000base-TX (gig ethernet over cat5e up to 100 meters).

As for speed, Cat5e can do up to 100mbps up to 100meters.

 

by: aleghartPosted on 2009-10-12 at 12:23:56ID: 25554162

When you split a cable as you've described, you are NOT splitting the signal, like telephone (POTS) or cable TV.  You are splitting an 8-wire bundle into 2x4-wire bundles.  Each 100BT connection is separate from the other.

100Mbps over copper is faster versus "125g" wireless.  There is significant drop in signal strength once you get 3-5m and farther away.  Even if both were reading "100Mbps" the wireless link has significant latency.

For instance, I have a 20Mbps downstream link.  Over wireless 54g at 4-5 meters, one large download was reading 2hrs.  Switching to 100BT made it 20-30 minutes.

Get the wire in the walls first.  Terminate later.  Make a home run from each location to a central point.  Don't worry about if you have too many cables.  There's no such thing as too many cables.

The cost to run additional once the walls, floors, and ceilings are closed up is so much higher you'll be kicking yourself in the rear.  You'll also need to learn how to do drywall patching and texturing...and it still won't look the same.

It's not uncommon to run two Cat5e cables to each room.  Cost is nothing for materials.  You can even leave the spare in the wall for future use in audio-video for NTSC, HDMI, VGA, speakers, RCA jacks, etc....all of which can be run over that Cat5 cable.

Buy in spool boxes of 1000ft each.  Depending on your supplier and the grade of cable, it will run from $50-200 each spool.

 

by: hedgeselectPosted on 2009-10-18 at 16:26:38ID: 31639610

thx for all your help.

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