Question

Route not working in PIX

Asked by: mjeet

I have a Cisco PIX with an inside IP of 10.10.2.1 and a cisco switch stack with an ip of 10.10.2.2. Everything works fine and all traffic is flowing as expected.

Then we add a point to point network of 10.10.3.0. The traffic to this network is going to be sent over a internal router with an ip 10.10.2.10

So on the PIX I add a route with the following command
ip route 10.10.3.0 255.255.255.0 10.10.2.10 1

and I try to ping from the PIX and I can reach the 10.10.3.0 network. But any computer with the gateway as pix cannot reach the 10.10.3.0 network.

So I added the route on the Cisco Switch stack with the same command
ip route 10.10.3.0 255.255.255.0 10.10.2.10

and changed the gateway on the computer from the pix to the cisco switch stack at 10.10.2.2 and the computer can reach the 10.10.3.0

So why can't the computer reach the 10.10.3.0 network with the PIX as the gateway. Am I missing something on the PIX?

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Answers

 

by: QuoriPosted on 2008-08-19 at 18:10:23ID: 22265310

Did you add a rule in the PIX to allow traffic from 10.10.2.0 to 10.10.3.0?

 

by: mjeetPosted on 2008-08-19 at 20:33:01ID: 22265914

I thought about it but then 10.10.2.0 and 10.10.3.0 are on the same interface so I wouldn't think you would need a rule. But I will definitely give it a try since you also mention it.

Thanks

 

by: devangshroffPosted on 2008-08-19 at 22:57:42ID: 22266547

you need to have one more layer 3 device/ The connection will be as follloes

At Site A
WAN router will connect to firewall
and poit to point router will connetd to sam switch where firewall is conntedec and default gatewa will be point to point router.

there will be 2 router in router , defaukt router towared firewall and statis router towared point to point link.

 

by: RPPreacherPosted on 2008-08-20 at 05:13:55ID: 22268531

The PIX is not a router.  It will not send traffic out the receiving interface.  Get a router.

 

by: mjeetPosted on 2008-08-20 at 14:32:01ID: 22274158

RPPreacher:
Thanks for your reply. But then the Cisco Switch Stack was able to route it. Is the Cisco Switch Stack considered a router?

 

by: Donnie4572Posted on 2008-08-20 at 15:37:44ID: 22274587

Any device that operates at layer3 or above is considered a router.

 

by: mjeetPosted on 2008-08-20 at 16:27:49ID: 22274862

Donnie4572:
But the PIX is definitely a layer3 device so it should forward right?

Quori:
All traffic is allowed in on the inside interface so I wouldn't think I rule would be needed!

 

by: RPPreacherPosted on 2008-08-20 at 17:21:34ID: 22275186

A pix will not allow traffic out the same interface as it is sourced from.  It is NOT a router.  Not all layer 3 devices are routers.  Routers are L3 devices.  A layer 3 switch is not a router.  It CAN route but it is not a router.  A PIX can route; it is not a router.  Shesh.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/vpndevc/ps2030/products_qanda_item09186a0080094874.shtml

"Unlike a router, the PIX cannot route packets back through the same interface where the packet was initially received"

 

by: RPPreacherPosted on 2008-08-20 at 17:21:45ID: 22275187

Double shesh.

 

by: Donnie4572Posted on 2008-08-21 at 06:45:44ID: 22279435

What is shesh?

I do not know all switches but as for Cisco, ALL L3 switches are routers.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/routers/index.html

As you can see, Cisco list their core switch with the small office router separated by work load.

The difference between say a 2600 router and a 6500 switch is throughput and the number of layer 3 interfaces. I'm sure there would also be huge differences in available features like netflow. But, the ip routing function is the same.  

I think the issue here is not if the pix will route your traffic but if you have routes set up properly. "RPPreacher" has already provided you the answer. "It will not send traffic out the receiving interface" Cisco will tell you this is by design and they will say the Pix is not a router. While the pix does have some layer 3 function it clearly does not operate at L3.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst2948gand4908g/12.0_10_w5_18e/configuration/guide/overview.html

As for the route you added, "ip route 10.10.3.0 255.255.255.0 10.10.2.10 1"
This will apply to traffic entering any interface, other than the Inside.
Any traffic coming in on any interface, other than the inside, destined for 10.10.3 network, the pix will route it.
As long as you have added access-list

The answer is:
Traffic destined for 10.10.3 network should not be sent to the Pix.

A step further,
I you want the traffic from inside destined for the point to point to pass through your firewall you only need to assign an interface on the pix.
For example,
1. on the pix assign a network, say 10.10.4.1, to an available interface.
2. change the interface on your "internal router" from 10.10.2.10 to 10.10.4.10
3. connect the interface on your "internal router" (10.10.4.10) to the new interface on the pix.
4. create access-list
5. remove the 10.10.3 route from your switch



Donnnie
 

 

by: RPPreacherPosted on 2008-08-21 at 06:53:37ID: 22279518

Again...

A layer 3 switch is not a router.

http://www.dslreports.com/faq/13563

A layer 3 switch is different from a 2600 by more than the number of ports.

"Shesh" is the sound of exasperation when one gives the correct answer and then has to repeat themselves over and over because someone else argues the wrong information.

Shesh.

 

by: Donnie4572Posted on 2008-08-21 at 07:03:44ID: 22279619

Looking back at the comments, I do not see where the asker has argued?

 

by: RPPreacherPosted on 2008-08-21 at 08:00:53ID: 22280256

The asker has not argued.  You (Donnie4572) have provided wrong information on multiple occasions, contradicting the correct information that I have been providing.  So I have had to provide an answer and then explain to you why your information was incorrect.  I'm sure Mjeet is completely confused by the misinformation that has been provided.  I know I would have been.

Mjeet, the information you needed has been posted.

Do you need anything else before closing the question?

 

by: mjeetPosted on 2008-08-21 at 08:07:52ID: 31488230

Thanks for your help. I have split the points.

 

by: Donnie4572Posted on 2008-08-21 at 10:48:53ID: 22282252


RPPreacher,
hmmm
well, sorry you feel that way.

From your last post I gather that you:
A.)  Have a problem comprehending what you read because my attude here is anything but argumentative.  
B.)  Refuse to accept the facts I provided here from the leading developer of both router and switches (CISCO)
C.) Talk down to others in an attempt to cover your own ignorance
D.) Recognize other experts as competitors rather than team members

You should go here:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/help.jsp#hs41
Read the heading under "Be Professional"
I have pasted it here:
Part of being an Expert is knowing your stuff. As important is treating the asker and your colleagues as professionals. Check your ego and your attitude at the door; rudeness, derogatory comments, and sarcastic remarks are uncalled for, and will not be tolerated. Remember that Experts Exchange is a collaborative site, in which you, the Asker, and other Experts work to resolve a problem.

Now, it seems to me your "Double Shesh" would violate this rule. and as for rudeness well we won't even go there.


Donnie

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