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Wireless network for remote location

Asked by: cdnq8

I have to built a wireless connectivity from my company to a remote location well i will describe the matter down.
1. Line of sight is clear
2. Distance is 500 meters
3. requirement : connect an IP camera for monitoring labors.
4. One IP camera (wired or wireless)
I need to know what equipment  should i use for this connectivity and i want the connection reliable, and i need to know which IP camera should i use and what should be the specifications.

I need advice from experts

Taher

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2007-04-21 at 06:20:52ID22525544
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Answers

 

by: ComplyPosted on 2007-04-21 at 14:20:49ID: 18952646

The 500 Meter distance is the problem for Wireless. You might look at setting up a Optical Zoom Camera around 20x to see that far from your Primary location.

You can still use a Wireless Camera and Monitor from any Location with a network connection. You can look at Dlinks, X10 etc for the right camera. These will not be cheap as most start at $400.00 on up. They are weather proof and have Thieft devices built-In.

 

by: gmwaldenPosted on 2007-04-21 at 19:08:56ID: 18953175

Cost might be a little high, but you could get a Microwave Tower.  That would be wireless.

You might want install some network equiptment at the site, and have fiber run to you location.

 

by: cdnq8Posted on 2007-04-21 at 22:05:09ID: 18953356

Well gmwalden, i didnt get your point could you be mre in details.
I need to know the wireless equipment too.

 

by: ComplyPosted on 2007-04-21 at 23:52:42ID: 18953497

He means either setup a High Gain ant. Or you could run a underground Fiber, Coax Cable to the remote site. Then setup a wirless access point for your cameras to relay to your Primary Location.

 

by: gmwaldenPosted on 2007-04-22 at 18:47:54ID: 18955814

Exactly, thanks Comply

 

by: cdnq8Posted on 2007-04-23 at 00:40:47ID: 18956677

well i dont want to implement a Fibre or coax backbone at remote site, well about high gain antennas and access point can anyone recommend me good brands.

 

by: gmwaldenPosted on 2007-04-23 at 04:41:05ID: 18957541

Is this something like what you are looking for?
http://www.industrialethernet.com/aw900x.html

 

by: ComplyPosted on 2007-04-24 at 16:47:10ID: 18970423

That is his best solution for the money gmwalden. The cost for coax that long would be $400.00 plus labor.

They use this type setup for homes in the country that can't get Broadband DSL\Cable. Speed is OK and performs pretty good even in the rain.

Forgot they had a retail site for this stuff.

 

by: wally2k7Posted on 2007-04-25 at 06:37:17ID: 18973347

I would guess at you are looking for a cheap and reliable solution for this one.

There are a lot of high gain antennas available on the internet for this sort of application. In order to cover the 500m reliable, outdoors in any weather yo are going to be looking at a high gain directional antenna at each end.

The directional antennas wil ensure that all the power is being directed where you want it, opposed to going everywhere. The gain just helps it on its way a bit.

I have just google searched 'high gain wlan directional antennas' and have come up with quite a few websites. try some of the following.

http://www.wirelessnetworkproducts.com/
http://www.amateur-radio-antenna.com/Richtantennen/wlan_antenna.htm

if you are feeling really adventurous you may want to try and build your own, I can reccomend several books or websites which would help you.

The truth is, for this sort of project you can buy a bespoke product for the price of a small car which works okay is easy to set up etc. Or for a bit of work you can design your own solution for a fraction of the cost and learn 10 times as much doing it.

Good luck, please pop back and ask if you want more information.

 

by: wally2k7Posted on 2007-04-25 at 06:41:01ID: 18973371

Sorry I forgot to answer your question about the IP camera. I would again suggest you gogle it. See what camers are available on the net. Try and find reviews for them and as much nformation as you can on the cameras. Weatherproof enclosures are easy to come by, and a damn site cheaper than buying an IP camera which s already waterproofed.

I cant give you to much info on the camera side of things as I have very little experience with them I am afraid.

 

by: wally2k7Posted on 2007-04-25 at 10:14:17ID: 18975434

Also I have just found this website here which sells wireles antennas.

http://www.wifi-antennas.co.uk/index.php?target=categories&category_id=209

 I am sure you wil agree th cost is somewhat more desireable than ome of the alternatives. I would sugest buying the highest gain you can afford in a good directional antenna. Then looking around for some good coax with low loss at the frequences in question (2.4Ghz)

Then before you know it you will have wireless networking over to your other site. (Dont forget you will need 2 antennas, a wireless bridge such as a linksys WET54G and your IP camera).

2 antennas + feeder £200
wireless bridge £50
IP Camera £100???

enjoying a wireless link to your remote site, Priceless.

 

by: cdnq8Posted on 2007-05-08 at 02:25:19ID: 19048475

Hi Wally, really appreciated, but now i am sorry to say that my co. wants a cheaper solution, u know i was just thinkin about a dial up connection because on both the sides there are telephones, but i havent tried ever how dial up wil work with remote access, actually i am thinking of this setup -
To connect both the connection through dial up modem by dialing the number and than after dialing the number i can ping that system hopefully and than make a remote desktop connection and check the camera throught the camera window, is that right, but i will try this. Is there any other network connectivity which can help me in making this easier and cheap.
well what about GSM internet connections where i can get connect on internet and from there i can configure the camera with an ip and c it on internet, any solutions like this or any new idea which can make my task easy.
Thankx all
Taher

 

by: wally2k7Posted on 2007-05-10 at 12:15:23ID: 19067731

Taher,

Okay, I can see the companies logic in that they want a cheap solution. but..... there's always a but, I find that at work all the time.

On the other hand you have to consider the useability of the system afterwards. A dial up connection would only support a 56k connection which would not be enough to sensibly run a camera over. The image you would get would be slow to non exisant. and of course you still have the infrastructure and support costs. I would certainly disuade you from doing this.

You could well consider running the internet from both locations and networking the camera back that way this would be easier to achieve, but again I am sure you have tried at times to have a video conference across the internet and found it to be painfully slow. Then of course there are the costs of the upkeep, and the general hardware costs would still apply, adsl modem and IP camera etc. Also any faults with the internet at either end and you have lost the facility.

I would reccomend still having a wireless network link over to the remote site, or wired if it could be arranged. Why not talk to whoever is financing it, of course they would be able to get rid of the phone line at the remote end and put in a VOIP phone at that end. This would onviously then remove the need for you to have the line rental for that location thats saved £10 a month, then you dont have the internet costs, thats saved £10 a month, the system would be superfast, and as reliable as your tech support is. and within a year it will have paid for itself, not to mention you will soon start finding new things you can do with the link.

Please can you give me some more information on what the 2 sites are, what runs at each end, what data services are currently supported each end, an approxamate distance, if you can run cables between them. What data services will be required to pass, the security of the link required, stability and reliability, how often and for how long it will be used.

I know I am asking a lot, but obviously the more I know the better the advice I can offer will be.

Lastly appologies for the delay in my reply I have been away with work for the last few days.

Hope I can work with you to get this link going!!
Rich.

 

by: cdnq8Posted on 2007-05-11 at 23:14:06ID: 19077383

Hi Rich,
i really appreciate your deep concern, well now i will tell u the scenario actually a Service manager at the Head Branch wants to monitor the Labors of his polishing department which is on the remote site, well to be honest its just a Camera threat for the labors who are working over there, he might watch once in a blue moon, he just needs a camera to see the labors doint their job, he is not going to monitor the whole day, say once in a week for 2 minutes, so he doesnt wants a cheap solution but reliable so that we dont want him to eat IT brains now n than, hope u got my point. Distance as i mentioned before is approx 500 meters, LOS is clear.
I think this much info is ok with you.
Thanks
Taher

 

by: ComplyPosted on 2007-05-12 at 00:24:44ID: 19077564

If this is inside the location, Your best and most reliable is a High Gain Relay system and a IP camera.

You will have less headaches, The user can just point and click.

 

by: wally2k7Posted on 2007-05-12 at 04:59:24ID: 19078068

Taher,

I can see what you are saying, unfortunately I don't think your finance department will like the answer.

You can try and install a dial up solution, that would require some form of terminal server at the remote site (A PC) to handle the dial up request and to serve the camera. Again this is more resources, another leg of the system to go wrong and another leg of the system for your IT department to try and maintain.

I think what comply is suggesting (correct me if I am wrong) is that you put some form of wireless extender in the system. This would essentially act as a repeater for the wireless signal. In short you would have a wireless access point at the main office, a repeater between the two offices, and the wireless IP camera at your remote site. Hopefully giving you the 500m range. Of course this would rely on you haveing secure access to an intermermediate point on which to install the repeater.

A further option you may consider trying, unfortunately I am not sure on the range you would achieve, so this would have to be investigated first. You could try using one high gain directional antenna at your main location. And just a standard link at the other end, although I suspect this may be a little dubious.

I think you need to discuss with your finance department a budget for this project, your IT guys what they can achieve directly. and What they would like to be able to achieve network wise, is there any use in the company being able to access your network from the remote site?? (this may help you to justify the additional cost of doing the job properly).

You will be surprised how often when people realise they can do something it becomes of even more use than anticipated. Your labourers having email access, or access to the PABX from there location may well be a big selling point for the system. Other services you could potentially pass would be tannoy announcements etc. We frequently install new systems, allow for the estimated expansion over the next few years. Only to find that within a few months people have realised the potential of the system and swamped it.

Hope you realise I am just trying to point out what may be in the best interests for the company.

I am afraid I cannot be of too much help if you decide to go for a dial up networking option. If this is the case I would suggest you repost this question in another zone where people may be better placed to assist you further.

Hope this answers your question. Please feel free to pop back if I can be of any further help, or if you would like more information etc.

I will continue working on a wireless solution because I think it will be of use at later times. So if you do want more information please do not hesitate to ask.

Thanks,
Rich.

 

by: ComplyPosted on 2007-05-12 at 10:50:16ID: 19078974

That was it wally2k7, If there is just one light pole in the middle somewhere you can use that as the repeater. It has to have a power source so the light pole or roof top install.

This is the cheapest, Reliable way to run the system.

I just installed one like this for around $700.00 + Labor. It works perfect even in the rain. Easy to maintain. It can be upgraded or expaned on too. You will even have access to the camera with a laptop around the property.

 

by: wally2k7Posted on 2007-05-12 at 10:56:36ID: 19078990

Youch!!,

$700 thats a lot of dosh!!, I reckon you could do a high gain antenna system for less than that surely?? Yowsa, I'm in the wrong business, lol.
 
What sort of range do you achieve with the repeaters comply??

Cheers,
Rich.

 

by: ComplyPosted on 2007-05-13 at 15:00:48ID: 19082180

You could get one for less if you look around. There are used ones as well.

You can get up to a claimed 1 mile with a repeater. Depending on location.

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