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Bandwidth limiting by vlan

Asked by: abbetech

We are having problems with droping connectivity on some of our staff pc's. The porgram we use to checkout books is very dependant on a steady connection. This is do to the large amount of bandwidth used by our public pc's. They are on seperate vlan's.  What is the best way to insure our staff have the bandwidth they need while allowing the pc to use what is left. We don't want to keep them from viewing videos. This is what is consuming the bandwidth. I am reading through the knowledge base and will post if I find the answer.

We have layer 2 & layer 3 switches (cisco 2950's and 3550's) and a corestack made up of 3750's, and use a cisco 5510 asa firewall.

Regards,
ABBEtech

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Answers

 

by: MysidiaPosted on 2009-08-01 at 14:37:26ID: 24996776

We could use some more details to make suggestions.
Is the bottleneck LAN bandwidth or WAN bandwidth?
Do you have  fiber or copper gigabit connections between your various switches?

LAN bandwidth is normally plentiful, and if the LAN is designed properly, should not be an issue in most cases.   Usually the WAN (connection to the internet) is a bottleneck.    If you are experiencing  LAN connectivity blips, there may be an issue other than bandwidth usage;  something may be creating a broadcast storm, or an infected PC may be generating excessive load.

The program used to checkout books: what does it need connectivity to?
A server on site?    Or does it need connectivity to a remote location across a WAN?

How many public PCs are there, and are they viewing high-bitrate video from an on-lan source, or an off-net  internet source across a limited WAN link?

 

by: amprantiPosted on 2009-08-01 at 15:15:22ID: 24996914

From what i can understand you havebandwidth problem in your LAN.

- Do you have a NMS? Can you verify that your bandwidth is really at maximum?

- Try to connect your switches with more than one cable. Be sure to enable spanning tree, and configure etherchannel.

- Enable L2 QoS (mls)

 

by: abbetechPosted on 2009-08-04 at 09:15:52ID: 25015312

We have a WAN. Everything comes back through HQ to get to the web. The program used to check out books is sirsi Workflows it connects to a server off site by way of the internet. We have 14 location. The biggest hogs of bandwidth on our network is the public viewing video. I know this because I ran reports in iPrism. We don't want to block them from viewing videos, but staff needs top priority. Only one of our sites is maxing on bandwidth on a regular bases. The server with my NMS is being rebuild at the moment. Most locations use copper. We connect to the internet with 10mbps and to each branch with t1 @ 1.5 mbps.

The problems seem to be random and at different location. I though if I set it up so the staff VLAN so it had higher priority at least I wouldn't have to worry that the video was the cause. Since the support folks for sirsi are blaming the problem on network issue.

Regards,
ABBEtech

 

by: amprantiPosted on 2009-08-04 at 09:48:31ID: 25015694

WAN links have QoS configured?
Your equipment support QoS? Are you using cisco network equipment?

 

by: abbetechPosted on 2009-08-04 at 12:10:44ID: 25017098

No QoS is not configurated. However, It is an option too.
Not sure, what all of them are and yes, we use mostly cisco.

Regards,
ABBEtech

 

by: amprantiPosted on 2009-08-04 at 23:51:30ID: 25020675

If you mostly use Cisco, then you use separate vlan for teh staffe and configure QoS over WAN links.
Also, depending on the site you mostly visit, you can use a proxy for caching (or even optimize site for proxy usage if its yours)

 

by: abbetechPosted on 2009-08-10 at 14:56:01ID: 25064458

Now to figure out how to seting up QoS....
Thanks for your comments. I'm really swamped this week. I'm going to try to setup some monitoring to see what's really up. I'll posted as I get more info. Any of you that have setup QoS before that would like to share info, I would appreciate it. Is it pretty simply, I mean with a little reseach can I set it up myself? I'm not scared of cisco and i've setup switch before, but to be honest, I minmic one's that are already setup. I can change port interface settings and configurate access-list, but I'm no a cisco expert. I'm worried most about the time it will take to configure it and figure out how to do it. How difficult a task is it? I've already got everything divided into vlan's, we have a WAN that consist of 14 location, all with a router and switch at each location..

Regards,
ABBEtech

 

by: amprantiPosted on 2009-08-10 at 15:00:42ID: 25064494

Its not very difficul, but you must understand how QoS work first...Also you should have good knowledge of which applications exist in your network! Wrong setup of QoS could cause strange behavior to network....

Start a new topic if you want to discuss it in detail

 

by: abbetechPosted on 2009-08-10 at 15:05:32ID: 25064531

Will do. Thanks! But before I close this one, what prgram would you recommend for monitoring bandwidth?

Regards,
ABBEtech

 

by: amprantiPosted on 2009-08-10 at 15:31:29ID: 25064714

There are plenty OpenSource / licence-based solutions available: MRTG, Cacti , PRTG etc...

Depending on your OS experience and what fullfill your needs, you maychoose
If you want additional info/help on NMS check my contact details to profile

 

by: MysidiaPosted on 2009-08-10 at 22:10:30ID: 25066273

Agree, you need QoS on the WAN links.

CoS or VLAN priority will not be sufficient.

On Cisco equipment supporting QoS, depending on how you want to go about doing it there are basically 4 steps involved for each link on which QoS is to be configured.

Understand you need to read up on the different types of QoS and queuing available.      Just plain traffic shaping may actually go far in this scenario.

The basic config steps which are taken on your WAN router generally involve

(1) Define "class-maps";   for classifying traffic
class-maps utilize "match"  statements to indicate what type of  traffic is part of that class.

You can match traffic packets by using interface names, Access lists, or NBAR (match protocol xxxxx), and there are other options  such as matching on ToS or IP precedence fields of packets.

E.g.
class-map match-any  staff-traffic
   match input-interface  FastEthernet0/0.123
   match access-group  staff-priority-traffic
class-map match-all   tenant-traffic
   match access-group tenant-priority-traffic
class-map match-all   management-traffic
   match  access-group    acl-management
   match protocol ssh
ip access-list extended management-traffic
   permit ip host 1.2.3.4  any
ip access-list extended staff-priority-traffic
   permit ip any any eq 80
ip access-list extended tenant-priority-traffic
   permit ip any any eq 80


(2)   Define a policy-map that utilizes the class maps  to either set ToS bits or IP precedence  (for another device to implement QoS decisions),  or  that utilizes class maps to place the traffic into some type of queue.

You might define different policy maps for handling inbound VS outbound traffic.
Policy maps REFER  to some class-maps,  and when traffic falls into a certain class,  the rules under the "class"  entry are used to  set aside bandwidth, or take various actions.

The first entry that matches is used.


An example utilizing class-based queuing (CBQ):
* Make sure your equipment properly knows how much bandwidth is available in 'show int',  and that you don't allocate more than 80% of the link to queues.

policy-map  library-wan-traffic
   class  management-traffic
       priority 64         ! Priority queue, exactly 64K for network management
                               ! note this is both a reservation and effectively a limit.
   class  staff-traffic
       bandwidth 256  ! reserve 256K queue for staff web traffic,
                              ! if the queue is full, its traffic can go into other queues
   class  tenant-traffic
       bandwidth  256 ! 256K queue for tenant web traffic
   class  class-default
       ! Default gets best effort
       fair queue        ! Apply Fair queuing to the rest of it
       ! An example of Policing, which can be used to actually
       ! cap usage;  I probably wouldn't include this here,
       ! it's more useful if you identify a specific protocol or interface
       !  as needing to be capped.
       police rate percent 98 peak-rate percent 100
            conform-action transmit
            exceed-action drop


(3) Apply the policy to the WAN interface for outboudn traffic. e.g.
interface Serial6/0
service-policy output library-wan-traffic

This deals with outbound traffic your router is SENDING out over the WAN.


(4)  On the other side of the WAN link, apply policies to deal with traffic that will be coming TOWARDS you.
E.g. If your WAN link is a Point-to-Point T1  connection between two locations, it is preferable to have end-to-end QoS,   by having both locations apply a similar policy  for outbound traffic.

Failing that, you may instead specify a policy for INBOUND traffic:

service-policy input  policy-map-name

However,  inbound policies are very limited in what they can do.
In fact,  you can't absolutely STOP  data from being sent towards you,
instead, what you can do with an INBOUND policy is   DISCARD data
that has already been sent over the WAN  destined for your network.

(That means you're throwing away data that's already crossed the low-speed
connection,   in the hopes that throwing it away will slow down TCP connections.)

Because of TCP's behavior when packets are lost, if you police certain traffic, (such as youtube traffic),  the connection speed will reduce.


This works for HTTP, and Web traffic.   It may not work as well when you need to limit certain P2P applications.

Something also to keep in mind is that web traffic is highly symmetrical; the user sends a very small HTTP request which results in a very large HTTP response --  the receiving end is more likely to be the bottleneck in any case.


So you need either your ISP to apply the QoS to traffic coming downstream to you, or  (failing that),   you prioritize your incoming traffic  in such a way that traffic from  the IPs of your checkout system will have higher priority,
and  possibly, you use policing to intentionally  drop traffic to cause the internet video sites to slow down transmissions.


You can quite easily define a  'class'  to include well-known online video sites  and limit just those, of course,   but I would think of that as the last resort



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