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Further help required configuring secure wireless "public" hotspot

Asked by: Bish

Further to a related solution posted by i2q2 below, regarding help setting up internet access in a public place but keeping the public access isolated from the private LAN I have further questions:

"Setup a Wireless router in a Different Network Address and setup the DHCP Server on the Router to supply this Range of IP Address to the clients. Next Configure the router to redirect all the traffic to the Internet gateway address. This way none can access your internal network thru your Wireless router and will be able to access the Internet. Be sure to protect the Admin Access for the Router and if required you could setup the Wireless encryption to protect your wireless clients."

Would I be correct in thinking that wireless routers would be required in this scenario and not access points? My first thought for this kind of installation was to use Wireless Access Points (WAP's). Would the Router/Modem (in this case a BT 2Wires router) that connects to the internet, be able to communicate with access points on another subnet and vice versa.

I'm assuming that is why i2q2 has stated routers in his solution? If the Access Points would also be suitable what would need to be configured on the WAP's or the Routers and the Router/Modem that connects to the internet, e.g. RIP/Routing Tables for this solution to function properly?

My main reason for wanting to use WAP's as opposed to a Router, is because some WAP's are available with PoE functionality where as I haven't found a Router that is yet.

If anyone could recommend a cost effective Router/WAP that would work in this scenario, I'd be very grateful.

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2009-11-03 at 07:07:09ID24867277
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by: AngloPosted on 2009-11-03 at 07:45:25ID: 25730043

You could use WAPs if you set them up on a DMZ.  But from what I hear this does not work so well on the 2-wire so you would be best off as advised to use a router/firewall (Etehernet ports on both sides) to create the DMZ.  Something like a small Sonic TZ series would do the trick.   This would allow your DMZ WAPs hanging off switch ports to get connection to the internet with the necessary rules to block access to your internal subnet.

 

by: ASIINCPosted on 2009-11-03 at 09:21:04ID: 25731218

I believe what Anglo mentioned above would work if the sonicwall can do the necessary NAT and dhcp on the DMZ, although it would require multiple public ip addresses.  It would also require that the wired backbone for the wireless network be physically separate from your existing network infrastructure.

How many access points are planning to use?

Probably the simplest way to do it if you need multiple access points would be with a centrally managed wireless setup.  Something like the cisco smb access points and controller or a controller and access points from Ruckus Wireless (I haven't used Ruckus wireless stuff but I've heard good things about them).  Finding a solution with PoE support shouldn't be a problem, but these setups aren't cheap.  With pretty much any centrally managed wireless system, you should then be able to configure firewall rules that only allow wireless access to external ip addresses, and block all internal access.  For a public hotspot, it would also be a good idea to block traffic between wireless clients, as any such connection is most likely malicious.  This is typically an option in the configuration as well.  With a centrally managed setup, you can also do more advanced things such as multiple ssids.  This would allow you to set up 2 wireless networks on the same hardware, making the one open for public wifi and securing the other but allowing internal network access for your own/your companies internal use only.

If this is just a small setup and you are only planning to use one access point for public access, then the simplest solution is a single router with decent firewall/configuration settings.  I have done something like this with a buffalo whr-hp-g54.

 

by: BishPosted on 2009-11-03 at 12:32:34ID: 25733262

Thank you both for your comments!

The installation is intended for a new Pub. One WAP in the main bar area and a second WAP in the conference room. Due to the fact this is a new business, unfortunately budget constraints would not stretch to installing a wireless controller unit.

The PoE can be achieved by using a couple of single PoE injectors which can be purchased for approx £30 each. I have been asked to use the existing 2-Wires router that is currently the internet gateway, and try somehow to use some budget Wireless Routers/Access Points to create 2 additional wireless networks, which I had intended to have on 2 separate subnets from the internet gateway.

Would it not be possible using static routes and/or RIP to route internet bound traffic from the 2 "public" subnets to the internet gateway on the private subnet, whilst blocking public access to the private LAN as suggested by i2q2 in the related question? If this is possible what settings would need to be configured on each of the routers/access points?

I'm starting to think that the simplest and best solution would be to have a second internet connection for public access.

 

by: shareditPosted on 2009-11-03 at 14:10:25ID: 25734363

this is a cheep way of doing it, but not 100% secure.  

1.take a linksys Wireles router, configure it to be a network router.
2. set the wan IP and gateway DNS of the "WAN" interface so it is on the same network as the 2 wire.
3. create an entirely different DHCP scope. to be handed out by the LAN/Wireless.

Wireless clients will get IPs on a completely different network than the 2 wire network.  
The reason why this is not 100% secure is if you do a tracert you will see the 2wire as a hop. you could then discern that there is another network.

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Cheep way, and it should be secure

1. get 2 linksys routers/ wireless routers.
2. set them both up with thier wan ports on the 2wire network.  
3. now you have two completely seperated networks

Thats about as basic you can get and have seperation between two LANs.
1 for POS and private wireless, and another for public wireless

Do you need internal access to the pub network for any reason?

 

by: BishPosted on 2009-11-03 at 23:05:59ID: 25737056

Thanks Sharedit! That is exactly what I was looking for.

When you say internal access to the pub network, from where did you mean? Access to the pub network will only be required from the Pubs private network or remotely. No access from the public network to the private network will be required.

Although after a little research I might ask them to consider changing the 2-Wires router to a Draytek Vigor 2820n, as this can do LAN/WLAN VLAN's which would also be a good secure solution at approx £170.

Thanks again!

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