Question

Difference between etherchannel "ON", LACP and PAGP

Asked by: Dragon0x40

I need to hook up a Netapp FAS3170 to a Cisco Catalyst 6513 running CAT OS using a two port etherchannel. A similar etherchannel is already configured on the switch but I have questions about whether this is the best way to configure it.

Current config of the working etherchannel between a Netapp NAS and Cisco Cat switch:

set port channel 3/13-14 mode on
set port channel 3/13-14 296
set port flowcontrol    3/13-14 receive desired
clear trunk 3/13 1006-1023
clear trunk 3/14 1006-1023
set trunk 3/13 auto negotiate 1-1005,1024-4094
set trunk 3/14 auto negotiate 1-1005,1024-4094

Is this the best way to hook up to the Netapp?

Should LACP be enabled?

If LACP is enabled on the switch or blade will the mode "on" work differently? Or is on the same whether LACP is enabled or not? One reason I ask is the channel is listed under PAGP in the following show command.

> (enable) sh port channel all

PAGP Channels:
Port  Status     Channel              Admin Ch
                 Mode                 Group Id
----- ---------- -------------------- ----- -----
 1/1  connected  on                     191  1666
 1/2  connected  on                     191  1666
----- ---------- -------------------- ----- -----
 2/1  connected  on                     695  1698
 2/2  connected  on                     695  1698
----- ---------- -------------------- ----- -----
 3/13 connected  on                     296  1736
 3/14 connected  on                     296  1736

Port  Device-ID                       Port-ID                   Platform
----- ------------------------------- ------------------------- ----------------
 1/1  SCA05020EST(xxx)                 5/5                       WS-C6509
 1/2  SCA05020EST(xxx)                 5/6                       WS-C6509
----- ------------------------------- ------------------------- ----------------
 2/1  SCA05020ESS(xxx)                 5/5                       WS-C6509
 2/2  SCA05020ESS(xxx)                 5/6                       WS-C6509
----- ------------------------------- ------------------------- ----------------
 3/13
 3/14

LACP Channels:
No ports channelling



> (enable) sh port 3/13
* = Configured MAC Address

# = 802.1X Authenticated Port Name.

Port  Name                 Status     Vlan       Duplex Speed       Type
----- -------------------- ---------- ---------- ------ ----------- ------------
 3/13 nas                  connected  73           full        1000 1000BaseSX

Port  Security Violation Shutdown-Time Age-Time Max-Addr Trap     IfIndex
----- -------- --------- ------------- -------- -------- -------- -------
 3/13 disabled  shutdown             0        0        1  enabled      40

Port  Flooding on Address Limit Last-Src-Addr     Vlan
----- ------------------------- ----------------- ----
 3/13                   Enabled                 -    -

Port  Num-Addr Secure-Src-Addr     Vlan Age-Left Shutdown/Time-Left
----- -------- -----------------   ---- -------- ------------------
 3/13        0                 -      -        -        -         -

Port  802.1X Auth-State   802.1X Port-Status
----- ------------------  ------------------
 3/13 force-authorized    authorized

Port  Mac-Auth-Bypass State  Mac-Auth-Bypass Port-Status
----- ---------------------  ---------------------------
 3/13 Disabled               (null)

Port     Broadcast-Limit Multicast Unicast Total-Drop           Action
-------- --------------- --------- ------- -------------------- ------------
 3/13                  -         -       -                    0 drop-packets

Port  Send FlowControl  Receive FlowControl   RxPause    TxPause
      admin    oper     admin     oper
----- -------- -------- --------- ---------   ---------- ----------
 3/13 desired  on       desired   on          0          4350

Port  Status       Channel              Admin  Ch
                          Mode                  Group   Id
----- ---------- -------------------- ----- -----
 3/13 connected  on                     296  1736
 3/14 connected  on                     296  1736
----- ---------- -------------------- ----- -----

Port  Status      ErrDisable Reason    Port ErrDisableTimeout  Action on Timeout
----  ----------  -------------------  ----------------------  -----------------
 3/13 connected                     -  Enable                  No Change

Port  Align-Err  FCS-Err    Xmit-Err   Rcv-Err    UnderSize
----- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------
 3/13          0          0          0          0         0

Port  Single-Col Multi-Coll Late-Coll  Excess-Col Carri-Sen Runts     Giants
----- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- --------- --------- ---------
 3/13          0          0          0          0         0         0         0

Port  Last-Time-Cleared
----- --------------------------
 3/13 Mon Oct 20 2008, 08:54:08

> (enable)  sh channel group 296
Admin Port  Status     Channel              Channel
group                          Mode                  id
----- ----- ---------- -------------------- --------
  296  3/13 connected  on                       1736
  296  3/14 connected  on                       1736

Admin Port  Device-ID                       Port-ID                   Platform
group
----- ----- ------------------------------- ------------------------- ----------
  296  3/13
  296  3/14

Thanks for any help.

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Answers

 

by: mikebernhardtPosted on 2009-09-04 at 14:20:49ID: 25263429

LACP is IEEE, PAGP is Cisco-proprietary. If it is ON then it doesn't negotiate either protocol. For practical purposes, that's the difference. So if you have a non-Cisco switch and you want to run etherchannel from it, you have to either run LACP or set it to on.

Cisco chooses PAGP by default. I suspect the channel showing up under PAGP is because that's the default protocol for the port if it was negotiating, which it isn't. If that's working now I would just do the same thing again.

 

by: Dragon0x40Posted on 2009-09-05 at 15:17:17ID: 25267965

What is the purpose of the command "clear trunk 3/13 1006-1023"? I think it prevents those vlans from crossing the trunk but why would you want to eliminate those specific vlans?

Does the order matter? should the "set trunk 3/13 auto negotiate 1-1005,1024-4094" be entered before the "clear trunk 3/13 1006-1023"?

Also do I need to disable portfast on these ports?

Conifguring and testing next week.

Thanks

 

by: Dragon0x40Posted on 2009-09-05 at 15:31:28ID: 25268024

One addtional question.

My understanding is that all the ports in an etherchannel should all have identical settings for everything.

Can ports in an etherchannel be access ports or trunk ports?

The etherchannel does not care becasue access port frames are untagged with a vlan id and  trunk ports just tag the frame with a vlan id and the tagging or not does not affect any thing with the etherchannel. Correct?

Thanks

 

by: QuoriPosted on 2009-09-06 at 17:49:42ID: 25272193

Yes, all ports in an etherchannel should have identical config.

No, it doesn't matter if the ports are access or trunk - etherchannel is for high availability and load balancing, and as such doesn't care about VLAN tagging, etc.

Don't disable portfast if you don't know what the ports are for. Broadcast storms are very unpleasant and hard to explain to management as a good reason for your network falling over.

 

by: Dragon0x40Posted on 2009-09-06 at 21:13:35ID: 25272683

Thanks Quori

It would seem to me that portfast enabled when you don't know what ports are for would be more likely to cause broadcast storms than disabling portfast. Did you mean dont "enable" portfast?

Do you have any idea about the following?
What is the purpose of the command "clear trunk 3/13 1006-1023"?
Does the order matter? should the "set trunk 3/13 auto negotiate 1-1005,1024-4094" be entered before the "clear trunk 3/13 1006-1023"

 

by: QuoriPosted on 2009-09-06 at 22:40:39ID: 25272870

I did, sorry.

 

by: mikebernhardtPosted on 2009-09-08 at 08:21:04ID: 25282798

It's always a good idea to clear the trunk of vlans you don't need.

By default the trunk will carry all vlans so given your 2 commands above, the "set" command won't do anything by itself because it already carries those vlans. The "clear" command will eliminate those vlans from the trunk and then the switch will modify the "set" command so it looks like the one above.

 

by: Dragon0x40Posted on 2009-09-11 at 21:49:18ID: 25315167

I configured the etherchannel without configuring a trunk. When I set the port-channel on command I foiund out that the blade only supported redundancy not aggregation.  Received following message: Adding a WS-X6148-GE-TX port to a channel limits the channel's bandwidth to a
maximum of 1Gig throughput.

Cisco website: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk389/tk213/technologies_tech_note09186a00800949c2.shtml#bw

Bandwidth Is Limited to 1 Gbps When WS-X6148-GE-TX Ports Are Used in the Channel
The WS-X6148-GE-TX and WS-X6148V-GE-TX modules do not support more than 1 Gbps of traffic per EtherChannel. On these modules, there is a single 1-Gigabit Ethernet uplink from the port application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC) that supports eight ports. For EtherChannel, the data from all the links in a bundle go to the port ASIC, even though the data are destined for another link. These data consume bandwidth in the 1-Gigabit Ethernet link. For these modules, the sum total of all data on an EtherChannel cannot exceed 1 Gbps. As a result, they should only be used in port channels for link redundancy purposes. If they are included in any Gigabit EtherChannels, the entire channel is limited to 1 Gbps of bandwidth. You also see a warning message that is similar to this one:

Adding a WS-X6148-GE-TX port to a channel limits the channel's bandwidth to a
maximum of 1Gig throughput.

Any thoughts?

 

by: mikebernhardtPosted on 2009-09-13 at 15:15:15ID: 25322017

Well, how much bandwidth do you truly need? Even if it wasn't limited to 1 Gig, there is no guarantee that a 2-port channel will give you 2 gigs of throughput. The algorithm that works it out is based on factors that don't guarantee equal distribution. So if you just want to make sure you have a reliable link and 1GB is sufficient, go for it. 1Gb/sec is a lot of data!

I would at least try it and monitor bandwidth usage to see how it's working. Buy a different card if it isn't sufficient, I guess.

 

by: Dragon0x40Posted on 2009-09-15 at 19:24:34ID: 25341298

Just waiting to test the NAS soon. And then I will award the points.

Does anyone know which switches support copper etherchannel aggregation for gig ports?

Is it newer switches or more top of the line?

Is this a common occurence where you only have redundacy but not increased bandwidth above 1 gig?

 

by: mikebernhardtPosted on 2009-09-16 at 08:25:35ID: 25346639

Most of the more recent switches do, including the 3560G. On your 6500, the 6148 is about the only card that has the limitation you're experiencing.

What kind of supervisor do you have in that switch?

 

by: Dragon0x40Posted on 2009-09-16 at 11:04:34ID: 25348301

> (enable) sh mod
Mod Slot Ports Module-Type               Model               Sub Status
--- ---- ----- ------------------------- ------------------- --- --------
1   1    2     1000BaseX Supervisor      WS-X6K-SUP2-2GE     yes ok
2   2    2     1000BaseX Supervisor      WS-X6K-SUP2-2GE     yes standby
3   3    16    1000BaseX Ethernet        WS-X6416-GBIC       no  ok
4   4    48    10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet WS-X6148-GE-TX      no  ok
5   5    48    10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet WS-X6148-GE-TX      no  ok
6   6    48    10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet WS-X6148-GE-TX      no  ok
7   7    48    10/100BaseTX Ethernet     WS-X6348-RJ-45      no  ok
8   8    48    10/100BaseTX Ethernet     WS-X6348-RJ-45      no  ok
9   9    48    10/100BaseTX Ethernet     WS-X6348-RJ-45      no  ok
10  10   48    10/100BaseTX Ethernet     WS-X6348-RJ-45      no  ok
11  11   48    10/100BaseTX Ethernet     WS-X6348-RJ-45      no  ok
12  12   48    10/100BaseTX Ethernet     WS-X6348-RJ-45      no  ok
13  13   48    10/100BaseTX Ethernet     WS-X6348-RJ-45      no  ok

Mod Module-Name          Serial-Num
--- -------------------- -----------
1                        XXXXXXXXXXX
2                        XXXXXXXXXXX
3                        XXXXXXXXXXX
4                        XXXXXXXXXXX
5                        XXXXXXXXXXX
6                        XXXXXXXXXXX
7                        XXXXXXXXXXX
8                        XXXXXXXXXXX
9                        XXXXXXXXXXX
10                       XXXXXXXXXXX
11                       XXXXXXXXXXX
12                       XXXXXXXXXXX
13                       XXXXXXXXXXX

Mod MAC-Address(es)                        Hw     Fw         Sw
--- -------------------------------------- ------ ---------- -----------------
1   xx-xx-7d-c9-e5-06 to xx-xx-7d-c9-e5-07 4.3    7.1(1)     8.5(3)
    xx-xx-7d-c9-e5-04 to xx-xx-7d-c9-e5-05
    xx-xx-f3-92-77-40 to xx-xx-f3-92-77-7f
2   xx-xx-c9-da-c7-5e to xx-xx-c9-da-c7-5f 3.10   7.1(1)     8.5(3)
    xx-xx-c9-da-c7-5c to xx-xx-c9-da-c7-5d
3   xx-xx-b7-01-89-f8 to xx-xx-b7-01-8a-07 2.3    5.4(2)     8.5(3)
4   xx-xx-fc-be-2c-c8 to xx-xx-fc-be-2c-f7 1.0    7.2(1)     8.5(3)
5   xx-xx-55-4c-da-90 to xx-xx-55-4c-da-bf 7.2    7.2(1)     8.5(3)
6   xx-xx-e4-71-e6-60 to xx-xx-e4-71-e6-8f 6.1    7.2(1)     8.5(3)
7   xx-xx-12-7a-f2-88 to xx-xx-12-7a-f2-b7 6.9    5.4(2)     8.5(3)
8   xx-xx-12-64-21-48 to xx-xx-12-64-21-77 6.9    5.4(2)     8.5(3)
9   xx-xx-b7-38-b8-80 to xx-xx-b7-38-b8-af 6.1    5.4(2)     8.5(3)
10  xx-xx-29-67-24-b8 to xx-xx-29-67-24-e7 7.6    5.4(2)     8.5(3)
11  xx-xx-de-67-75-b4 to xx-xx-de-67-75-e3 3.5    5.4(2)     8.5(3)
12  xx-xx-b7-10-3a-08 to xx-xx-b7-10-3a-37 6.1    5.4(2)     8.5(3)
13  xx-xx-6c-11-e6-c0 to xx-xx-6c-11-e6-ef 2.3    5.4(2)     8.5(3)

Mod Sub-Type                Sub-Model           Sub-Serial  Sub-Hw Sub-Sw
--- ----------------------- ------------------- ----------- ------ ------
1   L3 Switching Engine II  WS-F6K-PFC2         XXXXXXXXXXX 3.4
2   L3 Switching Engine II  WS-F6K-PFC2         XXXXXXXXXXX 3.2
*****************************************************************************************************************************
> (enable) sh ver
WS-C6513 Software, Version NmpSW: 8.5(3)
Copyright (c) 1995-2006 by Cisco Systems
NMP S/W compiled on Jan 28 2006, 18:03:10

System Bootstrap Version: 7.1(1)
System Boot Image File is 'bootflash:cat6000-sup2k8.8-5-3.bin'
System Configuration register is 0xf

Hardware Version: 1.0  Model: WS-C6513  Serial #: XXXXXXXXXXX

PS1  Module: WS-CAC-2500W    Serial #: XXXXXXXXXXX
PS2  Module: WS-CAC-2500W    Serial #: XXXXXXXXXXX

Mod Port Model               Serial #    Versions
--- ---- ------------------- ----------- --------------------------------------
1   2    WS-X6K-SUP2-2GE     XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 4.3
                                         Fw : 7.1(1)
                                         Fw1: 6.1(3)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
                                         Sw1: 8.5(3)
         WS-F6K-PFC2         XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 3.4
                                         Sw :
2   2    WS-X6K-SUP2-2GE     XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 3.10
                                         Fw : 7.1(1)
                                         Fw1: 6.1(3)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
                                         Sw1: 8.5(3)
         WS-F6K-PFC2         XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 3.2
                                         Sw :
3   16   WS-X6416-GBIC       XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 2.3
                                         Fw : 5.4(2)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
4   48   WS-X6148-GE-TX      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 1.0
                                         Fw : 7.2(1)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
5   48   WS-X6148-GE-TX      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 7.2
                                         Fw : 7.2(1)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
6   48   WS-X6148-GE-TX      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 6.1
                                         Fw : 7.2(1)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
7   48   WS-X6348-RJ-45      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 6.9
                                         Fw : 5.4(2)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
8   48   WS-X6348-RJ-45      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 6.9
                                         Fw : 5.4(2)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
9   48   WS-X6348-RJ-45      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 6.1
                                         Fw : 5.4(2)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
10  48   WS-X6348-RJ-45      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 7.6
                                         Fw : 5.4(2)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
11  48   WS-X6348-RJ-45      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 3.5
                                         Fw : 5.4(2)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
12  48   WS-X6348-RJ-45      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 6.1
                                         Fw : 5.4(2)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)
13  48   WS-X6348-RJ-45      XXXXXXXXXXX Hw : 2.3
                                         Fw : 5.4(2)
                                         Sw : 8.5(3)

       DRAM                    FLASH                   NVRAM
Module Total   Used    Free    Total   Used    Free    Total Used  Free
------ ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ----- ----- -----
1      131072K  85219K  45853K  31232K  25508K   5724K  512K  100K  412K
2      131072K

Uptime is 1009 days, 19 hours, 38 minutes

 

by: mikebernhardtPosted on 2009-09-16 at 11:25:57ID: 25348536

Have you tried setting up etherchannel on one of the 6348 cards? You have Sup 2s, so that limits your line card options pretty much to the ones you have.

 

by: Dragon0x40Posted on 2009-09-17 at 13:30:14ID: 25360690

Mike

If I understand you correctly. The 6348 cards are only 100mb so with the two copper connections to the NAS that would only provide 200 mb if it did aggregate vice redundacy. I only have two connections on the NAS. I believe the max for etherchannel is 8 so even if I had 8 ports that would still be less than one 1 gb port. Do you agree?

 

by: mikebernhardtPosted on 2009-09-17 at 13:37:14ID: 25360782

Ye, that's true. I think your best option, short of upgrading your supervisors and line cards, is to monitor the throughput on your existing link. Is it congested? If not, then consider adding the 2nd link for redundancy but not for added bandwith. As I said even with the right line cards, Etherchannel does NOT guarantee you extra bandwidth. If you double the amount of traffic passing between the same hosts, you very likely will see twice as much traffic on the same link. This can be modified to a degree with different etherchannel algorithm options, but there are no guarantees.

 

by: Dragon0x40Posted on 2009-09-17 at 14:43:17ID: 31625145

Thanks for all the help. We are going to test the NAS soon but I have another open question on how best to test if the 1gb connection is being maxed out. I am considering a large file transfer of 4 to 6gb to see how long it takes or using an snmp based monitoring tool.

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