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Cisco 3750 Stackwise Question

Asked by: abps

I have two Cisco 3750 48 port Gigabit switch with 4 SFP ports. On the back of each of the switches, there are two stack ports labeled Stack 1 and Stack 2.  Do I just use the stack cables provided and cross connect them?  For example, stack 1 on sw1 to stack 2 on sw2 and stack 1 on sw2 to stack 2 on sw1?  

If the stack cables uplink both switches and allows you to manage the switch as a single switch, what would the purpose of the 4 SFP port be used for?   Would they be used to add a non stack switch that supported SFP or possible some sort of network card installed on a server?

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2009-10-01 at 17:29:03ID24778989
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by: kenboonejrPosted on 2009-10-01 at 17:55:06ID: 25474437

Here is a link that shows the correct way to connect the stackwise cables:  

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/switches/lan/catalyst3750/hardware/installation/guide/HIGINSTL.html#wpxref31204

Look at the section titled "planning the stack"


The sfp ports would be for gigabit fiber or copper connections going to anything you might need.   For instance you have your 2 switches in a closet that are in a stack, then you might have another closet on the 3rd floor where you have another 2 switches in a stack.  In that case you might run fiber and put in 2 shorthaul sfp and connect the two stacks with the fiber through he SFPs.   So usually they are used as uplinks.  

 

by: every1isevil2Posted on 2009-10-01 at 19:30:41ID: 25474823

A) If you have one cable go from stack port 1 to stack port 2.  I strongly suggest you obtain two cables or else you will only have 50% of the back plane throughput.

B) Once you power on the switches the stack master election with occur. (decide with switch IOS takes over) You can influence this by typing:  set 15 new-priority-value on the switch you want to be the master.

If you get an SDM mismatch error let me know.  

Do not think of SFP ports for uplinking only.  Think of them as regular swith ports EXCEPT that they have priority access to the full back plane of he switch.  In the case of the 3750 the truth is the ports are rated at wired speed so it matters little other than media type.











 

 

by: aleghartPosted on 2009-10-01 at 22:12:15ID: 25475336

Connecting both on a stack of just two switches is recommended.  You're not doing anything else with the stack port, and it provides redundancy and bandwidth capacity.

In larger stacks, it would look like this:

 

by: aleghartPosted on 2009-10-01 at 22:15:45ID: 25475346

Oops.  Did it again.  2x stacking cables = 176Gbps, which is greater than the 160Gbps fabric rating.  But that's all theoretical.  You'd never be able to saturate that switch under normal (or even freakishly busy) conditions.

 

by: kenboonejrPosted on 2009-10-02 at 06:55:02ID: 25477881

One little trick for not having to re-order your switches.  If you have 5 in a stack and you want them ordered top down 1 - 5.  Cable them up and then power the switch #1, then wait 30 secs, power switch #2, wait a bit and power switch #3, etc..  The first time powered on the switches go in the boot order in which they were added to the stack.  If you do this the first time you won't have to re-order them.

 

by: DevilWAHPosted on 2009-10-04 at 16:11:31ID: 25491498

Aleghart has the correct stacking sequence.

Doing it like this means that if any one stacking calbe fails the whole stack stays up,

and if any one switch fails only that switch will go down, and the rest will still have a root back to the master switch (or indeed any other switch in the stack.

And just to be clear the TOTAL bandwidth of the stacking ports is 64gbs on a 3750. connecting up 2 stacking cables does not give you 2 X 64gbs.... So any switch in the stack can only communicate with the rest of the stack at a max of 64gbs. not the 128gbs ass suggested.

Also 48 X1gbs ports has a bandwith of 96gbs (Ports are full duplex).

However for 90% of insulations backplane bandwidth, and inter stack bandwidths are not to much of an issue with 3750-E series switchs.

As for the SFP's, As Every1 said they do have a direct connection back to the Backplane (normal switch ports are usually groped together to reduce costs) but the benefits of this are in most cases quite small.

More usefully they allow you to insert modules with various types of connectors. Ie. Single mode fibre, Multimode fibre, and on top of this depending what module you insert the length the fibre can be will vary between 500meters and up to 50KM or more.  You can also have a simple Ethernet converter if you so wish.

This is purely to make it cheaper to produce. If CISCO built these modules in to there switches each series of switches would have to have hundrads of models for each different type of connector. It also mean companies can say upgrade from multi mode to single mode fibre. they only need to buy new modules where the fibers attach, rather than a whole new switch.

IF you only use Ethernet they are not so usefully. (although you can get a 10gbs module for say uplinking a switch back to the core over ethernet) But in a network that uses lots of fibre they become a very useful feature.

 

by: abpsPosted on 2009-10-06 at 11:30:16ID: 31636197

Thanks to all who responded and for all the helpful information.  

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