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Lotus Domino database replica growing faster than source database

Asked by: CAPETOWNLONGBOW

We have a source mail-in database that is about 1GB on a Lotus Domino server 8.0.2 FP1 running on Windows 2003 Server. The database template is based on the 6.5.4 standard - as are most user's mail files. The database has a replica on another server however its size has grown to 64GB in a matter of 24 hours. I have run a fixup, updall -V, and compact -B and compact -C on the replica and while this has brought the size back in line with the source, the database size just starts growing again (within an hour or 2 after maintenance was run the db was 5GB in size and the source still at 1GB.)
I have also re-created the replica from the source server but the new replica exhibits the same behaviour. The replica is located on a Domino 8.0.2 FP1 HF82 server running Windows 2003 server.
Other mail files, with the same template are replicating normally between the same two servers and do not demonstrate this behaviour.

Any ideas as to what could be causing this growth and how to go about fixing it?

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2009-11-04 at 03:58:02ID24870558
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Answers

 

by: mbonaciPosted on 2009-11-04 at 04:04:45ID: 25738461

Compare server tasks with one of those two servers that are working as expected.

Try stopping the Indexer task and check the situation then.

 

by: mbonaciPosted on 2009-11-04 at 04:05:17ID: 25738465

Why is this question in Wireless Network Cards & Adapters zone?

 

by: CAPETOWNLONGBOWPosted on 2009-11-04 at 04:14:19ID: 25738519

It was incorrecly assigned to the wireless zone - wireless connectivity is irrelevant here

 

by: sjef_bosmanPosted on 2009-11-04 at 05:22:52ID: 25738996

If you compare both databases, how many documents etc. are in there?

Check the Log database, Usage, By Size, it contains for all databases the size of the views, updated at 5 AM. If you have the Catalog task running, you can find a lot of info in the catalog.nsf database as well. That database is usually updated during the night as well.

 

by: CAPETOWNLONGBOWPosted on 2009-11-04 at 06:01:31ID: 25739342

According to the catalog.nsf on both the source and replica server - (updated this morning around 1-2am) here is the following information:

Source Server:
Database size: 1,756,691,456
Number of documents: 1292
Number of design documents: 611

Replica Server:
Database size: 68,327,309,312
Number of documents: 1292
Number of design documents: 615

I cant see anything significantly different in the log database with regard to the various view sizes either.

 

by: mbonaciPosted on 2009-11-04 at 06:39:02ID: 25739681

Obviously the problem is not due to document number or design elements.

Check view indexes:
Open Domino Administrator > Files tab > position cursor on your db and select Manage views from Tools drop-down menu on the right.
There you can see the size of each view in a db.

Compare view sizes of two replicas.

 

by: CAPETOWNLONGBOWPosted on 2009-11-04 at 07:18:33ID: 25740158

Ok status update - at the moment the mail file replicas seem to be stable and in-line with eachother.

This is what I have done:

1. Stopped the update task on the replica server
2. Performed fixup, updall -R and compact -C on the replica database
3. Restarted the update task on the replica server

Since then (about 2-3 hours ago) both replicas on the source and replica server are about the same size, give or take a few MBs, and contain the same number of documents. Scheduled replication appears to be happening normally as well.

I'm going to leave this until the morning and see if things are still stable before taking any further action.

 

by: CAPETOWNLONGBOWPosted on 2009-11-05 at 04:37:09ID: 25748762

Unfortuantely I spoke too soon - the databases have once again grown and I have since had to do a fixup, updall and compact on them again this morning.

Attached are screenshots of views and properties of both the replica and source database.

Any other ideas?

 

by: sjef_bosmanPosted on 2009-11-05 at 08:57:32ID: 25751489

I checked your document, indeed quite strange. I'm afraid this is a topic you really have to ask Lotus about.

Any clustering involved?

 

by: CAPETOWNLONGBOWPosted on 2009-11-05 at 23:42:19ID: 25757342

Yes clustering is involved - the source server is clustered with another server running the same OS and Domino version. The replica database is also clustered with another server running the same version of Domino.
As already stated, other mail files are setup in a similar fashion and dont show this behaviour - so there must be something specific to this database that is causing the issue.

 

by: mbonaciPosted on 2009-11-06 at 00:34:26ID: 25757546

Try:
Compare all db properties with the other, normal db.
If it's a standard mail db, replace its design using mail template.
Is db included in anyone's roaming profile?

I agree with Sjef, this is too freaky for us :)
You should open service request with IBM.

 

by: sjef_bosmanPosted on 2009-11-06 at 00:50:23ID: 25757596

I'm getting very curious... I have the following ideas to continue the investigation:
A. make a Notes copy of the database, and set up replication like the others; if it doesn't have the same behaviour, well, you're there, and it must have been some internal document corruption (prob. 1%)
B. make a new replica somewhere else, on yet another server, disable replication to it in order to prevent changes, (if you can, reroute the new mails to this new replica) and then delete all documents from the original database; then, create a new replica on the 2nd server, and see what happens; if it doesn't grow beyond control, there's a fishy document among the mails in the original database; if it does, it must be the design
C. the same, but leave a few 100 documents or so, because maybe the cancer needs a trigger
D. set up archiving: my running mail database contains mails from the last 3 months, all the rest is in an archive that I need only occasionally; if the database starts replicating normally, the cancer was in an archived document; the archive database need not be clustered, e.g. a server db and a local replica should be enough (if you do backups)

No more ideas for the moment... I suppose this should keep you busy for a few hours  ;-))

 

by: CAPETOWNLONGBOWPosted on 2009-11-06 at 01:00:02ID: 25757640

Thanks Sjef

A - I have already tried and while the new source db copies remain more-or-less the same size on the source clustered servers, they still grow on the replica servers.

B, C, D - I will look into during the course of the day

Thanks again :-)

 

by: sjef_bosmanPosted on 2009-11-06 at 01:09:55ID: 25757675

Ah, of course, B (and the others) should be completed by executing the necessary repair operations. Just for the record...

 

by: CAPETOWNLONGBOWPosted on 2009-11-06 at 06:33:53ID: 25759389

Before trying the options above I have done the following:

1. Delete the replicas from the replica servers
2. Performed maintenance (again) on the source db
3. Instead of creating the new replcas on the replica servers by using the Notes client (File > Replication > New Replica) I have created the replicas using the admin process in the Domino Admin client
The new replicas were complete at 09:37 this morning and so far (at 14:30) the replica sizes are holding steady, whereas previously they would have ballooned at least 10-fold by now.

Fingers crossed...if this fails, then I'll try suggestions above...

 

by: sjef_bosmanPosted on 2009-11-06 at 06:54:17ID: 25759585

Would be weird if it solves the problem, for the Admin client is built on the same common layer as the Notes client. But, as I learned over the years, in the Notes world nothing is impossible...

 

by: mbonaciPosted on 2009-11-06 at 07:11:07ID: 25759741

Yes, it's basically the same thing, the only difference is that the replica creation process is triggered by the server.
It all boils down to Domino console command, which calls Notes API function from nnotes.dll.

 

by: CAPETOWNLONGBOWPosted on 2009-11-09 at 05:05:43ID: 25775521

OK so the good news is that the database is holding steady at just over 1GB in line with its source. So looks like the following may have worked to resolve the issue, why I dont know!

1. Delete the replicas from the replica servers
2. Performed maintenance (again) on the source db
3. Instead of creating the new replcas on the replica servers by using the Notes client (File > Replication > New Replica) I have created the replicas using the admin process in the Domino Admin client
The new replicas were complete at 09:37 this morning and so far (at 14:30) the replica sizes are holding steady, whereas previously they would have ballooned at least 10-fold by now.

Thanks to all for their input

 

by: CAPETOWNLONGBOWPosted on 2009-11-09 at 05:08:17ID: 31649931

A combination of effort lead to this being resolved.

 

by: sjef_bosmanPosted on 2009-11-09 at 05:31:42ID: 25775706

Fingers crossed!

 

by: mbonaciPosted on 2009-11-09 at 05:32:23ID: 25775715

Check whether someone scheduled a program in names.nsf.

E.g. this program document would produce the similar effect that you have:

names.nsf > Configurations > Servers > Programs

Program name:
     updall
Command line:
     "SubfolderOfData\Production\db.nsf" -C
Server to run on:
     The name of your "faulty" server

-C   option means that Update (indexer) task will update indexes of all unused views.

That means that all other view indexes are built because they are used, which again means that all db views are going to be built at all times, so the users will never have to wait for any view to be built.

 

by: sjef_bosmanPosted on 2009-11-09 at 08:24:00ID: 25777328

Unlikely IMHO, for the described behaviour should be happening again but it doesn't. It must have been something inside the old replica, because all is quiet since the re-creation of the replica.

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