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Synchronize Two Tables via SP or DTS

Asked by: Dexstar

Okay, I need some help synchronizing two tables.  Basically, I want all the changes in one database to be reflected in the other (but not necessarily vice versa).  The table uses an IDENTITY as a primary key and it does have a DBTIMESTAMP field.

It would easy to write an SP to do that, but the names of the servers and the databases for the source/destination are going to be dynamic.  If you can show me how to write an SP that gets around that issue (without using dynamic SQL) then I would accept that as an answer.

If however, that's not possible, then I would like to know how to configure a DTS package to accomplish the same thing.  With the GUI, I can see how to add a task to copy data, but not really to remove or update the changed data.  So, if you could show me how to do that, then I'd accept that as an answer also.

Let me know if you need any more information.

Dex*

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Answers

 

by: wytcomPosted on 2004-03-09 at 12:10:09ID: 10554047

You could use a Execute SQL Task object in your DTS package to clear the destination table and copy the data from the source table.  You would still have to explicitly reference the database names though.  To treat the source/destination as dynamic, you could put that information in the database somewhere.  Then write the SQL in the Execute SQL Task object to get these locations and then do the clear and copy.

Right click  on your Execute SQL Task object in your DTS designer, then select properties.  That takes you to the editor for adding your SQL code.

 

by: DexstarPosted on 2004-03-09 at 12:14:21ID: 10554093

Yeah, that's how I would do it, but that doesn't work if the server / DBs aren't known.  First I have to remove any records that don't belong in the destination table, then copy the new records into the destination table, and then update the changed records in the destination table.

So, for example,

DELETE * FROM Remote.RemoteDB.dbo.tblWhatever WHERE WhateverID NOT IN (SELECT WhateverID FROM Main.MainDB.dbo.tblWhatever)

How do I provide values for Remote/RemoteDB and Main/MainDB at runtime?

Dex*

 

by: adilkhanPosted on 2004-03-09 at 12:23:24ID: 10554201

Did you Add "Remote Server" as the "Linked Server"?

then use the IP address of that Remote Server as the Linked Server.

 

by: DexstarPosted on 2004-03-09 at 12:27:56ID: 10554253

@adilkhan

That's exactly the problem.  The name/IP address is going to be different for various installations.  Is there someway to supply those value dynamically?  Like maybe as a property of the DTS package?

D*

 

by: danblakePosted on 2004-03-10 at 01:26:47ID: 10559113

Yes it is possible:

Adding DTS Lookups and Global Variables:
http://doc.ddart.net/mssql/sql2000/html/dtsprog/dtspapps_82nn.htm

Global Variables in DTS:
http://doc.ddart.net/mssql/sql2000/html/dtssql/dts_addf_misc_68tv.htm

DTS and global variables should solve your problem.

 

by: EugeneZPosted on 2004-03-10 at 06:26:45ID: 10560862

what about merge replication - can you use it?

 

by: DexstarPosted on 2004-03-10 at 11:14:32ID: 10563917

@EugeneZ:

Yeah, I've pretty much abandoned the DTS idea at this point.  Any tips on setting up merge replication?  Have you ever done it?

D*

 

by: danblakePosted on 2004-03-10 at 11:46:08ID: 10564238

 

by: DexstarPosted on 2004-03-10 at 16:10:03ID: 10566561

Okay, so you know how I was going to use "Snapshot Replication" for the small, infrequently updated things (restricting updates to only the central DB), and then "Merge Replication" for the things that need to be consistent at all sites?

Well, I don't think that is going to work out.  Consider the following situation:

I have a table that will be handled by the "Snapshot Replication".  Let's call it "tblObjectTypes".  Very infrequently updated.  Then I have another table that will be handled by "Merge Replication".  Let's call it "tblObjects".  There is a many-to-one relationship between tblObjectTypes and tblObjects.

Now, say at the central DB, they add a new ObjectType record.  And then they add a new Object record that uses this new ObjectType.  Won't it fail if the "Merge Replication" happens before the "Snapshot Replication" because the new object type has not been replicated, but a record that references it is trying to be replicated violating a foreign key constraint?

How do I handle that situation?  Since that situation, although rare, could definitely happen, does that mean I should just use Merge Replication for everything?

Dex*

 

by: danblakePosted on 2004-03-11 at 01:29:43ID: 10569326

Why don't you also move tblObjectTypes to merge replication as it is infrequently updated.... this will not create a major overhead then it will all work together in the correct order you require every time.

The other alternatives would be dropping the FK on the dependant sites (if this is an acceptable solution).

 

by: DexstarPosted on 2004-03-11 at 08:49:36ID: 10572986

@danblake:

Well, I have lots of tables that would fall into the "tblObjectTypes" category.  So, I guess the answer is that I need to use Merge Replication for everything, which could actually simplify things.  And, since Merge Replication doesn't really incur much overhead (at least, it doesn't seem to) when there are no changes, that is totally acceptable.

So, "Merge Replication" takes care of 2 of the 3 scenarios I have to deal with.  Now, I just have one more:  Some of the data that is inserted at a remote site needs to be replicated back to the Central DB for reporting, but it doesn't need to be pushed back out to the other remote sites.  Is that possible?  What do I need to do to make that happen?

Dex*

 

by: danblakePosted on 2004-03-12 at 13:38:53ID: 10584664

Yes, it is possible.
You could create a horizontally filtered (by region or siteid, to prevent conflicts at the main db) multiple snapshot publications with a central subscriber (main db).

 

by: DexstarPosted on 2004-03-13 at 14:58:41ID: 10589777

@danblake : but I'm not using Snapshot replication.  I'm using Merge replication.  Is it possible to do it with Merge Replication?

Dex*

 

by: danblakePosted on 2004-03-14 at 02:00:12ID: 10591387

Yes it is possible to do the same with merge replication.

 

by: DexstarPosted on 2004-03-14 at 15:02:27ID: 10593898

@danblake:

Okay, so in that situation, the Remote DB publish the data, and the main DB subscribes to it?  And that allows each remote site to have their own data, and the central DB to have everything?

How do I keep the Central DB from pushing it's data back to the Publishing database?  If that happens, then every DB will end up with all the data, which isn't what I want.

Dex*

 

by: danblakePosted on 2004-03-19 at 07:02:33ID: 10633462

Okay, so in that situation, the Remote DB publish the data, and the main DB subscribes to it?  And that allows each remote site to have their own data, and the central DB to have everything?

Yes.


How do I keep the Central DB from pushing it's data back to the Publishing database?  If that happens, then every DB will end up with all the data, which isn't what I want.

The publishers are just publishing the information to send back to the central database system, you can use
the horzontal filtering so any subscribed information is filtered against each sites location identifier.

Have a look here on the purpose of filtering data:
http://www.developer.com/db/article.php/757741

Lots of replication resources here...Including the model I am describing.
http://www.eduonline.com.au/dpec/courses/la4/la4.srh

What you can do is setup the article filtering by the sp_articlefilter (refering to BOL) or by using EM (It is possible to do this using the Advanced Settings in the Setup Replication Wizard)

 

by: DexstarPosted on 2004-03-19 at 11:57:19ID: 10636270

Thanks, Dan.  I'll be traveling the next few days, but I'll revisit this issue when I get back.  :)

-D*

 

by: danblakePosted on 2004-03-23 at 01:22:53ID: 10656062

 

by: danblakePosted on 2004-03-30 at 10:50:54ID: 10716354

Thanks, Dex...

 

by: DexstarPosted on 2004-03-30 at 10:52:58ID: 10716375

You're welcome.  I haven't gotten the replication completely working yet, but I'm working on something else for the time being.  I might have more questions when I get back to it, but in the meantime, I don't want to hold up the points.  Especially since I've got more to give... ;)

So, keep your eyes out for more Q's from me... :)

Dex*

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