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Query running times = 2005 Express vs 2005 Standard

Asked by: topazg

I've recently transferred a site to a dedicated host, and because it was using SQL server installed a copy of SQL Server Express 2005 on the server. However, running scripts have become a lot slower, and I'm trying to get to the bottom of why.

The script is as follows:

select * from tableA
inner join tableB on tableA.field = tableB.field
inner join tableC on tableA.field2 = tableC.field2

On the webserver, this script times in at 35 seconds, on my local machine (running developer 2005) it times in at 2 seconds. Thinking it may be traffic related, I took the site offline, waited a minute or so and tried again with the online server -- no difference, again it timed in at 35 seconds. So it isn't traffic related, and it isn't remote distance related (the shared server and database in the building that we _used_ to be on timed in as quick as the offline database). I have come to the conclusion that it may be specific setup related, or it could simply be the database engine used by Express is far slower.

Does anyone know which of these it is likely to be, and if the latter is the case how much quicker I could expect SQL Server Standard would be ?

Thanks in advance,
- Graham

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2007-01-25 at 13:58:47ID22137271
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by: NightmanPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:02:06ID: 18399780

1. update statistics on all tables.
2. check your index fragmentation (if necessary rebuild indexes - when noone is online)
3. Check that there is enough memory allocated to SQL.

Standard will only be faster in that it can leverage more memory and more CPU's. Developer actually behaves as Enterprise.

 

by: bhess1Posted on 2007-01-25 at 14:03:46ID: 18399790

There could be other causes:

* Is this a dedicated server?  If not, then the other activity on the server will limit your response speed.
* What are the server's specs?  How do they compare to your local box?
* What is the fragmentation of the files on the remote box?

 

by: topazgPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:06:12ID: 18399812

I've updated statistics, index fragmentation is very low (< 5% across pretty much every table), backed up the database and restored the db offline.

No difference in script running time (ok, 33 seconds online and still 2 seconds offline).

Memory allocation I will have to do tomorrow when I can get back to work, but I _suspect_ it will be left unlimited (it's the only real resource requirer on the server). I will let you know if this turns out not to be the case.

I'm aware Developer behaves like Enterprise, and that was my initial reason for suspecting it to be the db engine.

 

by: topazgPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:10:00ID: 18399837

Bhess1:

Yes, server is dedicated, no other activity on the server.
Server's specs are:

Single CPU (3 GHz Pentium 4)
1 GB RAM (PC2700)
160 GB SATA HDD
Running Windows Server 2003

Laptop running offline has:
Single CPU (Athlon 64 3000)
1 GB RAM (PC3200)
80 GB Ultra-ATA HDD
Running Windows XP Pro SP2

So from what I see there should be little, if any, difference from a specs point of view.

Remote box files have very low fragmentation, similarly to local.

 

by: topazgPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:10:36ID: 18399842

Sorry, Laptop processor is Athlon 64 3400+ (~2.2 GHz supposedly)

 

by: NightmanPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:11:05ID: 18399844

1. Check for physical disk fragmentation
2. Check performance counters on physical disk with perfmon - could be you have an IO bottleneck.
3. I gather that you have SQL Express installed on the same server as IIS - as bhess1 suggested, this could be problematic. It really depends on the load though.

 

by: topazgPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:17:17ID: 18399896

1. Physical disk fragmentation is very low
2. Don't have access to do this from home -- what is most likely to cause in IO bottleneck on the server when all users are disconnected (apart from me) that is different to the laptop setup?
3. Yes, I agree, but this is exactly the same as the local laptop, which is also a single harddrive single processor machine - Is this a SQL Express specific problem?

 

by: NightmanPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:20:58ID: 18399925

>>what is most likely to cause in IO bottleneck
Backups, maintenance tasks, long running transactions, database files autogrowing or autoshrinking.

>>Is this a SQL Express specific problem?
I don't think so.

 

by: topazgPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:23:23ID: 18399948

Because it is express, there are no backups automated, and I am the only one attached to the db when I take others offline. I even tried detaching and reattaching the database and running again, and it made no difference to the running time. I suspect it is unlikely to be a scheduled task type of activity at has been running slow constantly since we transferred (about 2 and a half weeks ago).

 

by: NightmanPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:27:43ID: 18399981

AV tasks running on the server can also be IO intensive. Do you have any running?

Check your perfmon counters on physical disk: queue length and %disk time. These will give you a good indication as to whether or not this is a problem.

 

by: topazgPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:39:22ID: 18400117

No AV tasks running. With a bit of playing around I've sorted my PW to get access to the server, disk, processor and memory are all virtually nil 95% of the time (disk under 20%, Memory and CPU under 10%).

Have we scrapped the idea of the Express db engine being the problem or are we eliminating other options first?

And is there any setup options other than RAM allowance that could cause a similar problem?

 

by: NightmanPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:42:57ID: 18400154

I don't believe that Express on it's own will cause the problem. As I said, (aside from specific features) the primary difference is the CPU and memory scalability, which does not appear to be an issue.

If you restart the SQL Server instance, does it perform better?
Have you checked to see that the tempdb and transaction log files are not autogrowing?

 

by: topazgPosted on 2007-01-25 at 14:50:17ID: 18400205

Restarting the SQL Server instance hasn't changed anything.

Tempdb has a lot of unused space (about 80% of the db size) and the transaction log has some free space and is not growing fast enough to auto-grow for a few weeks.

 

by: topazgPosted on 2007-01-25 at 16:08:30ID: 18400850

I'm going to test a SQL Server Express installation at work tomorrow and see how the running time on that compares ....

 

by: topazgPosted on 2007-01-27 at 02:43:38ID: 18409658

Ok, the problem was management studio trying to talk to a remote server it seems -- The script running through a web application was down to a few seconds on Express and on Enterprise.

However, it is still slower than pre-transfer by a factor of about 3 - I suspect this may be due to either a) SQL Server 2005 being slower than 2000, or b) Installing a backup SQL Server 2000 database onto 2005 and changing compatibility level leaves the database not operating as efficiently as it could be under 2005.

I'm giving you the points for your time, thanks.

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