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Understanding SQL Overhead

Asked by: propharma

I am trying to understand what is causing a tremendous increase in run time for a series of queries.
I have run them individually and found the actual time to be 3-5 times faster than when run in series.

I tested this on a small set (just over 500 records), but this also runs on data sets in the 10-20k rows.

E.G.

Query 1 -- 500 rows, .020 min  <-- This is a select into Query with joined tables on 2 different servers.

Query 2 -- 475 rows, 2.55 min  <-- This is an update Query with joined tables on 2 different servers.

Query 3 -- 25 rows, 0.15 min <-- Also and update Query with joined tables on 2 different servers, and a statement to select only rows not affected in Query 2.

Query 4A-D -- Upto 500 rows each, 0.02 min in total. <-- simple update queries to format fields collected above.

Total run time when executed step by step - Just under 3 min. When I select all steps and run in a batch this takes over 8 min.

Can anyone explain why this would be, and how to minimize this?  Bringing the tables to the same server is not an option.  I am primarilly interested in why the whole process runs quicker when done step by step.

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2009-10-28 at 11:27:17ID24852124
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SQL

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Queries

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Overhead

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SQL Server 2005

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SQL Query Syntax

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MS SQL Server

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Answers

 

by: thenelsonPosted on 2009-10-28 at 12:02:10ID: 25686943

It would be nice to see the queries and the "batch" but my guess would be time sharing of the processor by the processing of the queries. For example, query I runs a little, then query 2 takes over, then query 3, then back to 1, etc. Each time a query swaps control of the processor, large amounts of data needs to be transferred.

Queries run asynchronously which means they run in the background while the code or macro continues so if the "batch" is not designed carefully,  they will all run at the same twice and will need to share the processor.

 

by: QlemoPosted on 2009-10-28 at 12:35:27ID: 25687307

Are you running those statements in a distributed transaction, both step-by-step and complete?

 

by: propharmaPosted on 2009-11-02 at 11:23:30ID: 25722698

These were not tested with distributed transactions explicitly stated.  I may be misunderstanding the value of such statements.  If I explicitly declared and then committed a transaction for each query in the process, wouldn't I have the same problem as mentioned by Thenelson?

Would begin/end explicitly stated in the code streamline this so that the different queries do not run in parallel?

 

by: QlemoPosted on 2009-11-02 at 13:12:49ID: 25723789

"Queries run asynchronously" - that is not true in general. If you use Management Studio or Query Analyzer (MSSQL 2000), or the cmdline pendants, each query is executed one after another. T-SQL has no syntax for running queries asynchronously.

In a program, e.g. using ADO, you can determine whether queries are async or sync.

How do you run "step by step"? Selecting the single query, and executing it? That will issue an COMMIT anyway. And it will delay the execution (because you execute each step manually), giving the database time to clean up buffers. I don't know whether that could even be the reason, it's only a guess.

 

by: propharmaPosted on 2009-11-05 at 11:08:22ID: 25752772

I am running the queries in management studio.

When I run them step buy step; yes select and execute each query in turn - manually.
That of course has it's own time sink, depending on how steady my mouse hand is on a given day.

When I run them in series, I select all 4 at once and then execute.  Perhaps the extra time is the database clearing out the buffers, and temp tables used for the previous steps?

 

by: QlemoPosted on 2009-11-05 at 11:45:28ID: 25753134

Exactly, that is what I presume.

 

by: thenelsonPosted on 2009-11-05 at 11:52:00ID: 25753217

Sometimes placing a DoEvent statement between each statement execution query is sufficient to sequence them. Sometimes you have to go further and look at the output of a query to see if it is done before executing the next one. Try DoEvents first. It is easy.

 

by: propharmaPosted on 2009-11-19 at 10:34:01ID: 25863383

Thanks.  That gives me a pretty good idea of the mechanics behind it.  

 

by: thenelsonPosted on 2009-11-19 at 11:15:56ID: 25863821

You're welcome.  Glad to help and thank you very much for the points with "A" grade!

Happy computing!

Nelson

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