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Office 2007 Charts: Access vs. Excel

Asked by: lowflier

Hi there,

I'm very new to using MS Access, and am creating a report for a batch of employees - basically a form letter with employee-specific data.  In particular, I'd like to make a nice shaded 3D pie chart for some of the stats per employee.  I don't have a problem with any of the database stuff, and the pie chart is correct... but the MS Graph 8 chart is rather ugly.  I figured I'd upgrade from 2003 to 2007 (MS Graph 12?) to get more modern results.

Is it just me, or does the Access 2007 chart wizard still use MS Graph 8?  I can open up Excel or Powerpoint and create a nice, shaded, exploded pie, but Access leaves me horribly dissatisfied.  Did I screw up my installation when upgrading, or is this really just a shortcoming of Access 2007?  And if that's the case, can someone recommend an "easy" solution to getting fancier output?  I suppose I could use Excel  and import the data from Access, but I'm not sure how to automate the process for the n-billion records I have.

Thanks in advance!





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2008-08-29 at 18:05:01ID23690467
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Answers

 

by: boag2000Posted on 2008-08-29 at 23:41:55ID: 22350892

lowflier,

Are you saying that Access *Cannot* create charts as nice as Excel?
Or are you saying that you *don't know how* to make charts in Acess look as good as they do in Excel?

Every fancy effect in Excel, I am able to duplicate in Access.

JeffCoachman

 

by: lowflierPosted on 2008-08-30 at 23:44:40ID: 22354208

boag2000,

    I'm new enough to this to suspect that I just don't know how to make my charts look right, but seeing that there's a significant difference in the chart wizard between Excel 2007 and Access 2007, I'm not sure what to think just yet.  From what I've been reading, working on charts in Access isn't much fun.  I'll try to be more explicit.

    Using Excel 2007, I'm able to create a pie chart using the built-in wizard with all manners of 3D features (shading & gradients, transparency, rotation, perspective) - which is what I expected to get by upgrading from 2003.  However, when I use the wizard in Access 2007, I pretty much get the same options as I got using 2003 (pretty much basic rotation, and standard RGB single color per slice kind of stuff.  Vintage MS Graph 8.).  This pretty much sucks for me, as I was looking for a quick solution to my completely cosmetic issues.

     At first glance, I feel like a chump for being so clueless, but given the inconsistency between the 2007 wizards, part of me wants my money back if this really is an Access oversight.  I've attached a snapshot of my Access vs. Excel pie charts which are the direct result of about 3 minutes of each wizard.   I'm sure there are workarounds to my dilemma (run the query from Excel and generate per-record graphs & form letters, write a VBA masterpiece with OLE magic, etc)... but honestly, I don't have a lot of experience in making MS products bend over backwards for me.

     Since I'm the one asking for help from square one, I welcome any starting points and/or barbed insults.  Thanks!


        lowflier
     

 

by: boag2000Posted on 2008-09-02 at 10:40:49ID: 22369557

lowflier,

Well, your analysis is correct.
(I was thinking of Access/Excel 2003)
It seems that the Graph wizard in Access has remained unchanged in 2007.

If there is an option to make charts look like Excel 2007, I could not find it.

I tried linking to Excel but the Access DB would only open as Read only.
And I could not use Paste Special-->Paste Link, from Excel.

I'm hoping for a Patch!
;-)

JeffCoachman

 

by: lowflierPosted on 2008-09-03 at 12:40:58ID: 31491715

boag2000- thanks for the response and validating my fears.  Since the direct route of using the charts in Access 07 isn't going to work, I'm going to have to explore another option.  I'll post another question with my next plan of attack.  Thanks!

 

by: boag2000Posted on 2008-09-03 at 13:45:19ID: 22381763

 

by: irritablebadgerPosted on 2009-02-08 at 22:58:46ID: 23587840

The charting/graphing utilities in Access 2007 are horrible - they are a pain to work with and they don't look anywhere nearly as nice as those available in Excel 2007.

If you're going to be doing this alot I'd recommend creating an Excel template with all the charting already formatted and exporting your Access data into that template. That way the charts are done as soon as the Excel workbook opens.

 

by: boag2000Posted on 2009-02-08 at 23:48:02ID: 23588017

irritablebadger,

"The charting/graphing utilities in Access 2007 are horrible - they are a pain to work with and they don't look anywhere nearly as nice as those available in Excel 2007."
Only if you do not know how to manage them.
;-)
True, they are a bit "ornery", but once you get the hang of them (and you don't need anything exotic) they are fairly straightforward.

As you know, Excel and Access are two separate programs, meant for two different purposes.
Access charts are an attempt to "summarize" large amonts of data, hence the difficulty most people have with them.

"they don't look anywhere nearly as nice as those available in Excel 2007."
We had already established this.
;-)

 "I'd recommend creating an Excel template with all the charting already formatted and exporting your Access data into that template."
Then please post this as a tutorial on how this can be accomplished, and submitt it here as an "article".
;-)

Thanks

JeffCoachman

 

by: dastrwPosted on 2009-02-17 at 17:18:02ID: 23666095

There are two major problems with MS Graph:

1) You can only have one set of X values.  If you have multiple curves then every curve has to share the same X values.  Unless all of your curves happen to have the same X values you have to manipulate the data to force them to have the same X's ... which can be considered bad form if the data is presented as measured data.

2) There is a limit of how many points you can plot.  So one trick to get around the first problem is to just draw "one" curve which is actually all your curves end-to-end.  You have to be careful to try and eliminate the retrace, but even then you may run out of points.

So it's not just about things looking nice.

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