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Help!!! Query/Subreport

Asked by: Kdankwah

Hello!
I have a database with several related tables:

Contacts table with one record per contact

Relationships table with several records per contact – one record for each relationship a contact has to an organization (multiple contacts, multiple organizations)

Organizations table with one record per organization

 

The three tables are joined on id numbers.  The contacts table is joined to the relationships table; the relationships table is joined to the organizations table.

 

I am trying to build a report and a data entry form that will have, grouped by organization, a list of the contacts related to it (from the contacts table), and the details of their relationships (from the relationships table).  I have been trying to use subreports and subforms to do this, but while I can do one tier of subreports (i.e. main report based on organizations table, subreport based on contacts table), I am unable to reach through to a second table to include data from the relationships table as well.

 

I thought I might be able to do this by basing the report/form on a query, but when I put fields from more than one table in a query, the query either returns no data, or only records for which there is data in all the involved tables.  (Not all records in one table will always have related records in all the others).

 

Any ideas would be most appreciated.

 
Kofi

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2004-01-29 at 13:45:42ID20867288
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Answers

 

by: jadedataPosted on 2004-01-29 at 13:49:28ID: 10229944

Greetings Kdankwah!

  Yes, you absolutely want a query to drive this report.
  Two, you should slightly modify the name of the table "relationships" as this is a reserved word in Access for the Relationships collection of the Database.

  Use the Master/Child links on the subrepost to list the data from relationships table, link them by the ID fields you mentioned.
  As each detail record is printed the cooresponding relations will be reported in the subreport.

regards
Jack

 

by: KdankwahPosted on 2004-01-29 at 17:00:41ID: 10231525

Can you give me an example of the query?

Kofi

 

by: jadedataPosted on 2004-01-29 at 17:57:49ID: 10231815

How can I if I have no idea what the structures are?

 

by: hoenthPosted on 2004-01-29 at 18:26:07ID: 10231965

Kdankwah
It appears from your comment above that the issue with your query is your joins. In this case, you want outer joins, because it sounds like you can have an organization with no contacts, or a contact with not relationship information (and I agree with jadedata, you should use a different name.

For example, after joining the organization table to the contact table in your query, double click on the line that runs between the tables and the join properties window will display. Choose the option that says "Include all of the records from the Organization table and only those records from the Contact table where the join fields are equal" Do the same for the join from the Contact table and the relationship table, choosing to include all of the records from the contacts table.

That should get your query working. Then it is a matter of setting up grouping on your report to properly format the Org., Cont. and Relationships

 

by: eghtebasPosted on 2004-01-29 at 20:40:24ID: 10232621

Contacts <-- Main form, just enter table name in the record source.
---------
The subform needs to have a quey, copy and past following SQL to the record source of your subform (that is after checking table names and field names.

Note: if it is not too late change Contacts to tblContacts or tContacts for ease of use (do the same with your other tables).  For queries use qryTotal or qTotal.

Your table structure looks good.

Assumption:   tblContacts has ContactID(autonumber), ContactFname....
tblContOrgan (you have called this tblRelationship) has Contact_ID and Org_ID both numb/Long
and tblOrganization hase OrgID (autonumber), OrgFname....

Subreport SQL:

Select tblContOrgan.Contact_ID, tblContOrgan.Org_ID From tblContOrgan Inner Join tblOrganization On tblContOrgan.Org_ID = tblOrganization.OrgID

The parent/child linke is OrgID/Org_ID

After taking care of edit form, we can handle report question later on (possibly as a new question).

Mike

 

by: KdankwahPosted on 2004-02-04 at 13:27:17ID: 10275123

Jaedata,
Could I email you the structure and the relationship for to analyze for me since I am not too sure about the relationships.  Please let me know If I should.

Thanks

Kofi

 

by: jadedataPosted on 2004-02-04 at 13:38:22ID: 10275233

what "structure and relationships"?

 

by: KdankwahPosted on 2004-02-04 at 13:43:26ID: 10275281

I meant the documenter detailing the structure and the relationships that is giving me problems.  Its only 2 pages. Sorry for the omissions on my last posting.

Kofi

 

by: jadedataPosted on 2004-02-04 at 13:49:47ID: 10275334

I can not send you the documenter.  You have one built into your copy of Access.

You need to select from the menu Tools/Relationships and Access has a layout much like building query relationship, as they are in fact the same thing.  
  select two of your tables

  From one common field in the primary table
    left click and hold on a field in the table
    drag that field to the other table, dropping it on the field that forms the relationship
you now have created a relationship

    the Relationship Builder will also give you some additional options which are best hunted up in Access Help, or else I would just have to copy those sections onto this forum and that would be extremely bad form.


   

 

by: KdankwahPosted on 2004-02-04 at 13:54:12ID: 10275369

I have the documenter already, I have created the documenter report of the whole tables and the existing relationships.  Al I want is to send you the report to see how I have my relationships set up.  I need a second look at it.

Kofi

 

by: jadedataPosted on 2004-02-04 at 14:07:48ID: 10275499

thats not what you said the last time...

Feel free to send it to me, but if other Experts request a copy to assist you, you must provide them a copy as well.
This is my requirement in keepin the the spirit of the EE Membership Agreement.
Do you agree to the above?

If you agree then my email address is found in my profile.

 

by: KdankwahPosted on 2004-02-04 at 16:25:21ID: 10276625

Its on its way.

Thanks

 

by: KdankwahPosted on 2004-02-04 at 16:31:02ID: 10276659

I just emailed it.  Members if anyone wants a copy please let me know and I will send it.

Thanks

Kofi

 

by: jadedataPosted on 2004-02-05 at 06:24:13ID: 10280578

Are you saying that the contacts/organizations are a MANY2MANY relationship

orgs have more than one contact
and
contacts can be related to more than one org  (this is a dubious concept but it does happen albeit rarely)


   

 

by: KdankwahPosted on 2004-02-05 at 07:36:39ID: 10281247

Yes. For example the President of an organization can be also be on the Board of a different organization.  At the same time, we have many points of contact with any given organization.


Kofi

 

by: jadedataPosted on 2004-02-05 at 07:49:39ID: 10281374

A way to handle this could be


Table:    tOrgs          tPositions               tContacts
Fields:   tOrg.OrgID --> tPositions.OrgID
                         tPositions.PosID
                         tPositions.ContactID --> tContacts.ContactID

"HOW" the contact is related to an org is in the tPosition Table.
The tPositions table serves to describe the relationship, and link the many to many

The primary keys on these:
    tOrgs:       (PK) OrgID
    tPositions:  (PK) OrgID, PosID
                 (FK) ContactID
    tContacts:   (PK) ContactID

 

by: KdankwahPosted on 2004-02-05 at 09:11:04ID: 10282172

Is this expression

tPositions:  (PK) OrgID, PosID

from your previous answer a concatenated PK?

If so how do you do that in MSACCESS?


 

by: KdankwahPosted on 2004-02-05 at 10:51:13ID: 10283116

Never mind I did found out how to set 2 PK in MSACCESS.  Will let you know of my outcome.

Thanks

 

by: jadedataPosted on 2004-02-05 at 11:25:36ID: 10283428

sorry, couldn't responde INet down for the count.

You know that PK is short for Primary Key right??
I'm glad you were able to muddle thru without me briefly, I don't want to be holding up progress... :)

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