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Microsoft Software Priacy

Asked by: gram77

Every time Microsoft comes out with a new version of software, it claims to have built the software in such a manner that it cannot be broke open or pirated. It happend during launch of Microsoft Windows NT, Windows Server 2000 etc.

However, each time we see copies of pirated Microsoft software being sold in the market like hot cakes and is the cheapest among all priated software sold.

How are these people able to break into the software and determine the security key that is required to install the software? And why can't Microsoft device foolproof ways to stop piracy of it's software?

When Microsoft can make such high-tech softwares why can't it make it's software waterproof to stop piracy?

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2007-04-28 at 02:05:37ID22540010
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Answers

 

by: toniurPosted on 2007-04-28 at 05:20:05ID: 18994156

I guess you are not looking for particular answer but for different opinions. Here is mine:
IMHO MS activation procedures did not reduce piracy, but only increase TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) because this procedures take time. And god forbid there is something wrong with your original key and system won't activate or you change hardware configuration and you have to re-activate. To be honest I'm dumping all costs of activation, re-activation problems on to my customers and if they complain I redirect their complaints to local MS office.
There is no mechanism that can be called "waterproof" in IT. There is a proverb:" With every door there is a lock, but for every lock, there is a key."
And at the end why do you bother if someone  else is using illegal software as long as you don't. ;)

Interesting reading: Is EU going to decriminalize "personal" privacy? "Piracy committed by private users for personal, non-profit purposes are therefore also excluded."
More info: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/expert/infopress_page/057-4356-078-03-12-909-20070319IPR04284-19-03-2007-2007-false/default_en.htm

If piracy is redifined, so should be mechanisms to stop it!

My opinion,

Toni

 

by: r-kPosted on 2007-04-28 at 22:16:42ID: 18996237

toniur summed it up pretty well. In my opinion the main problem MS faces is how to make something easy to use, but difficult to copy. These are opposites and you can't be at both extremes at once. It isn't so much a technical problem as a social one. Why is piracy much higher in some countries than in others? It can't be that the software protection is weaker there, or people are smarter in breaking the lock. This is similar to asking why drivers on the road obey the traffic rules better in some countries than in others. So there is a tradeoff all the time.

 

by: gram77Posted on 2007-04-28 at 22:29:00ID: 18996247

Social issues aside, how are people able to guess the install key for the product. Do they use software simillar to password guessing software or what?

 

by: r-kPosted on 2007-04-28 at 22:50:32ID: 18996272

"how are people able to guess the install key for the product"

There is no guess work involved, actually. The install key is not on the CD at all, it is shipped separately. Taking the example of Windows XP Pro, there are only about four different types of install CD's shipped - A retail version, an OEM version, a volume license (corporate) version, and perhaps one or two more I am leaving out. None of these actually contain the install key within the CD itself. The key is usally just a printed sticker on the CD cover or on the side of the CPU box, or something like that.

With a corporate (volume license) CD, you can use the same CD on many (usually hundreds or thousands) of PC's. This is done for convenience, so users don't have to validate each install with MS (as is the case with the Retail version). Something similar is the case with OEM keys (manufacturers like Dell/HP/Gateway can't afford to preinstall and validate a unique key for each PC they sell). Once the volume license keys leaks out, it is difficult to stop people from using it thousands more times for illegitmate purposes. MS is trying various techniques to combat this. For example, they may restrict validation of volume license keys by geographical region (via the IP address). For retail versions they already restrict it one specific PC (at the cost of inconveience for the user).

So to summarize, there is no key on the CD, no no technical skill required to steal it - all you need is the sticker that comes with the CD that has it printed in plain view.

 

by: toniurPosted on 2007-04-28 at 23:14:38ID: 18996315

If I remember correctly key generator was written for Windows XP volume license which compromised many keys and we were issued new ones. How does one write key generator? I have no clue. Either somebody actually cracks alghorytm or information is leaked.

 

by: ComplyPosted on 2007-04-29 at 00:49:26ID: 18996510

Since MS Out Sources all its Programmers over seas its a wonder it works at all. Microsoft sold 247 copies of Vista in China, That should tell you something.

The only way to stop it is to call into MS everytime to get a Key. Amd even then there are ways to crack one.

 

by: r-kPosted on 2007-04-29 at 22:04:34ID: 18999630

Thank you. To be fair toniur deserves some of the credit. And comply: I am impressed MS has sold that many copies of Vista in China :)

 

by: gram77Posted on 2007-04-30 at 09:18:45ID: 19002468

Tonur's statement is meant just for Windows XP. My question is general for Windows secrity and not XP specific. So i excluded his answer.

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