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Slow Throughput Through Network

Asked by: thetimp

My Local LAN has gradually slowed to almost a halt.

Browsing shares on machines is slow, but resolves; copying files accross the network is lucky to get to 20KB/s, and files are failing to copy giving "Resource Unavailable" errors: "The Specified Network name is No Longer Available".

The File Server (DHCP/ WINS/ Fileserver/ DBserver)  is Windows 2003 R2 and is connected to the internet by an ISA Server on Windows 2003.
Internet from the ISA Server is nice and quick(800KB/s Downloads form ISP).

The Client machines are XP SP2 and Vista.

Everything has the latest patches.

The Hardware is either brand new or worst case 18 months old.

The switches are new Gigabit units, everything is hardwired - no wireless.

I dont have a local DNS Server, I point individual clients to the ISP's DNS vis DHCP (on the file server).

I have disabled the cache in the ISA server.

I have "Tweaked the MTU" on the LAN, (Size, Detect and Discovery) and updated the registry on the client machines accordingly.

I have tested disabling the client machines local firewalls.

Nothing i have done has made a difference.


Does anyone have any ideas on how to improve the LAN throughput?


thanks

DancesWithData

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2008-02-18 at 17:38:51ID23173128
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Answers

 

by: lrmoorePosted on 2008-02-19 at 15:14:00ID: 20933560

>I dont have a local DNS Server, I point individual clients to the ISP's DNS vis DHCP (on the file server).

This is part of the problem. You need a local name resolution so that local clients can connect to local services. You need to setup one DNS server, set it up with forwarders to the ISP, and let all internal hosts auto register with this internal DNS server.

 

by: thetimpPosted on 2008-02-19 at 16:27:08ID: 20933978

Hi,

Thanks for the reply, I will add a DNS server to the File Server as you suggest. (happy to try anything)
Local services are resolved via DHCP and WINS Currently, and they connect fine initially, then just idle along attempting to move the data.
(I have been monitoring network activity on the Servers and individual machines)

I do not think this is a DNS issue.

Please keep thinking everyone...

regards
DancesWithData

 

by: thetimpPosted on 2008-02-19 at 18:35:57ID: 20934557

Hi,

I haved added and configured a DNS server on the Windows 2003 fileserver.
The clients (Vista and XP) are auto registering in it;  It forwards to my ISP.

I have set the ISA server to use it on the local interface (it uses the ISP DNS on the remote interface).

As expected there has been no improvement in LAN throughput.

Please keep thinking everyone...

regards
DancesWithData

 

by: lrmoorePosted on 2008-02-20 at 05:12:17ID: 20937423

What kind of switches? Could be a duplex mismatch between the switch port and the server NIC...

 

by: thetimpPosted on 2008-02-20 at 14:25:40ID: 20942706

HI they are new Linksys SD2008,

The network cards are configured at their top speed (either 1GB or 100MB) and Full Duplex.

I have tried setting them to half duplex, but there is negligle difference.

I have tweaked the TCPIP stack on the 2003/ XP machines (Window sizes etc) from the link below, and now most files wil copy, but still not qucikly:
http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/tcptune/

Here is the output from PCATTCP:

  Accept      : TCP <- 192.168.10.2:1352
  Buffer Size : 8192; Alignment: 16384/0
  Receive Mode: Sinking (discarding) Data
  Statistics  : TCP <- 192.168.10.2:1352
16777216 bytes in 113.13 real seconds = 144.82 KB/sec +++
numCalls: 3223; msec/call: 35.94; calls/sec: 28.49

144.82 KB/sec - over cat5 with GB switches!!!!

The Servers only have 100MB network cards - should I upgrade them to 1GB?

regards
DancesWithData

 

by: lrmoorePosted on 2008-02-20 at 14:59:08ID: 20942944

>The network cards are configured at their top speed (either 1GB or 100MB) and Full Duplex.
That could be a problem. If the switches are unmanaged, meaning you can't go in and set the switchport to match, then you have a duplexing issue by nature of how the negotiation works.
With unmanaged switches, you must set NIC to auto both speed and duplex.
Here's what happens otherwise.
Switchport set to auto (only setting on non-managed switch)
Switchport expects duplex negotiation packet
NIC set to 100/full-duplex
NIC does not send negotiation packet, negotiation has been disabled
Switchport does not get a negotiation packet, but knows something has been plugged in
Default switch behavior says that if you get a link and no negotiation packet, then it must be a hub and all hubs are half-duplex, therefore set interface to half-duplex.
Now the switch port is at half-duplex and the NIC is at full duplex and the end result is that you get horrible performance.

 

by: thetimpPosted on 2008-02-20 at 15:46:24ID: 20943365

Thanks for that, I didnt know that about negotiation :-)

I had them on Auto up until a few weeks ago when this started, they are back on Auto now, as per your suggestion.

No real change (actually a bit less according to PCATTCP).

Please keep thinking everyone...

regards
DancesWithData

 

by: lrmoorePosted on 2008-02-20 at 16:12:51ID: 20943660

her's a couple other things I've run across over the years

Speed up your browsing of Windows 2000 & XP machines AND Speed up viewing shared files across a network

Here's a great tip to speed up your browsing of Windows 2000 & XP machines.
Its actually a fix to a bug installed as default in Windows 2000 that scans shared files for Scheduled Tasks.
And it turns out that you can experience a delay as long as 30 seconds when you try to view shared files across a network because
Windows 2000 is using the extra time to search the remote computer for any Scheduled Tasks.
Note that though the fix is originally intended for only those affected, Windows 2000 users will experience
that the actual browsing speed of both the Internet & Windows Explorers improve significantly after applying it
since it doesn't search for Scheduled Tasks anymore.
Here's how :

Open up the Registry and go to :

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Explorer/RemoteComputer/NameSpace

Under that branch, select the key :{D6277990-4C6A-11CF-8D87-00AA0060F5BF} and delete it.

This is key that instructs Windows to search for Scheduled Tasks.
If you like you may want to export the exact branch so that you can restore the key if necessary.

This fix is so effective that it doesn't require a reboot and you can almost immediately determine yourself how much it speeds up your browsing processes.

-----------------------------------------------------
BONUS TIP#2

Windows XP automatically searches the network for shares and printers upon connecting to the network. This is probably useful in a SOHO or home network but not the enterprise. To disable XP automatic discovery:
In Explorer, click Tools
Click Folder Options
Click the View tab,
Uncheck Automatically Search for Network Folders and Printers in Advanced settings list.
 
It is important to disable this setting in Windows XP because it is the basis of a seriouse security flaw in XP. When you click My Network Places, your logon password may be transmitted automatically to numerous unspecified computers on the LAN. Windows XP tries to acquire the shared resources list of all computers on the LAN. At that time, the users local logon password is used when the password for the shared resource is not known. Your PC transmits the LMhash version of you password.

If there are NT4.0 or any other pre-Windows 2000 PCs on the LAN, XP will transmit your password to the pre-Windows 2000 PCs during its share and print search. It transmits the LM hash which is significantly weaker than XP or Windows 2000 hashes. In order to protect the LM hash, XP has a registry value HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\NoLMHash which if set to 1 will prevent XP or Windows 2000 from generating the LM hash. pwdump will not be able to acquire the LM hash, which is a good thing.

-----------------------------------------------------
Network troubleshooting

============
Hidden in Windows XP's System Information utility is a very good tool for getting a lot more information about what's going on. Go to Start | All Programs | Accessories | System Tools | System Information. Then choose Net Diagnostics from the Tools menu. The program will ping your DNS servers, gateways, SMTP and POP3 mail servers, and proxies; test your modem and network adapters; and supply very detailed reports about your settings, as well as which tests passed and which failed.

 

by: thetimpPosted on 2008-02-20 at 21:47:39ID: 20945298

Hi lrmore,

Looks like the issue was with one of the switches.

Once I set all the adaptors back to Auto negotiation a couple of the machines were having difficulty keeping the link up.

Now that I have removed that switch and have everything connected via theother switch, with all the network tweaks i get the following with PCATTCP

  Accept      : TCP <- 192.168.10.2:2131
  Buffer Size : 8192; Alignment: 16384/0
  Receive Mode: Sinking (discarding) Data
  Statistics  : TCP <- 192.168.10.2:2131
16777216 bytes in 8.74 real seconds = 1875.46 KB/sec +++
numCalls: 2837; msec/call: 3.15; calls/sec: 324.75


a Huge difference fomr the earlier 144.82 KB/sec

thanks.

 

by: EnladePosted on 2008-06-02 at 08:58:56ID: 21693151


I also have the same problem with the SD2008 switch.  It used to work fine, but now it slows down my LAN communications to a crawl (file copy is a hundreth of the speed as it should be).  Strange thing is that the switch works fine on its own, but only has trouble connecting through a router to other computers on the network.  So, it is some sort of compatibility issue, but it is likely that it is resolvable and that the switch is still good.

Just thought I would mention that in case others are having trouble with that switch as well.

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