Puzzling Sensations (#?)
Once upon a time...
I learned of so-o many senses. Dozens. Prob'ly read all about 'em. I forget. For,
One day came, where scientists responded to claims of ESP by saying there's only five senses, anything else is a 6th one, which doesn't exist, but any claims to one fall under heading #6=ESP. Prob'ly since humans only get five digits and toes, they only get to play with senses of five.
While I am want to raise this as a science question, I am puzzled that it apparently is not, but I think there' more to this area of senses than Philosophy.
#1 Resolve puzzle, why isn't it that having a number of senses totaling more than five a question for Science?
#2 Name Senses (lounge rules apply)
#3 Translate SunBow-eze to those from other lands of Babel
I acknowledge there may be more than one viable 'answer'
Footnote, I may participate if recollections kick in and you don't submit first.
I learned of so-o many senses. Dozens. Prob'ly read all about 'em. I forget. For,
One day came, where scientists responded to claims of ESP by saying there's only five senses, anything else is a 6th one, which doesn't exist, but any claims to one fall under heading #6=ESP. Prob'ly since humans only get five digits and toes, they only get to play with senses of five.
While I am want to raise this as a science question, I am puzzled that it apparently is not, but I think there' more to this area of senses than Philosophy.
#1 Resolve puzzle, why isn't it that having a number of senses totaling more than five a question for Science?
#2 Name Senses (lounge rules apply)
#3 Translate SunBow-eze to those from other lands of Babel
I acknowledge there may be more than one viable 'answer'
Footnote, I may participate if recollections kick in and you don't submit first.
Sense of fear, all to real to me as I suffer from sleep paralysis, pure terror I can tell you
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You forgot the most important one of all -
Sense of Humour.
Strange thing about it is that if you accuse someone of not having it, they suddenly lose it.
Sense of Humour.
Strange thing about it is that if you accuse someone of not having it, they suddenly lose it.
Thought of:
sense of pleasure
sense of loss,
then I wondered if these are not senses but feelings.
A sense should be a means of detecting something about the world around you (touch, taste, hot, cold, balance etc), whereas a feeling would be your internal interpretation of what your senses have told you.
(You see something horrid so you feel fear)
jpkemp, I wonder if your numbers 7 to 12 are feelings rather than senses?
sense of pleasure
sense of loss,
then I wondered if these are not senses but feelings.
A sense should be a means of detecting something about the world around you (touch, taste, hot, cold, balance etc), whereas a feeling would be your internal interpretation of what your senses have told you.
(You see something horrid so you feel fear)
jpkemp, I wonder if your numbers 7 to 12 are feelings rather than senses?
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>>why isn't it that having a number of senses totaling more than five a question for Science?
"A"Because mainstream science can not explain/understand/measure
What about the sense of self??? - is that a "Sense" - science can not truly (pick any of the above verbs under "A"). So we are stuck (ditto) in philosophy/religion.
>>I think there' more to this area of senses than Philosophy.
There is - but until science can reliably test these other "senses", it will remain in philosphy etc.
In human history many things that science of the time could not work with - it fell to (philosophy or religion).
I feel it is only a matter of time before such things will be truly recognized in the mainstream (scientific and other) - but we will have to wait.
"A"Because mainstream science can not explain/understand/measure
What about the sense of self??? - is that a "Sense" - science can not truly (pick any of the above verbs under "A"). So we are stuck (ditto) in philosophy/religion.
>>I think there' more to this area of senses than Philosophy.
There is - but until science can reliably test these other "senses", it will remain in philosphy etc.
In human history many things that science of the time could not work with - it fell to (philosophy or religion).
I feel it is only a matter of time before such things will be truly recognized in the mainstream (scientific and other) - but we will have to wait.
I don't speak sunbowez. And to look at most peoples lists, things they have listed tend to fall into the first recognized 5. I would like to know if esp existed, but ive never seen it. Just like ghosts. Anyone here a mind reader? What am i thinking right now?
>>Anyone here a mind reader? What am i thinking right now?
I am not a normal mind reader - I am a future mind reader - so there fore I do not know what you are thinking right now - but when your read this you will think I am full of crap!!
I am not a normal mind reader - I am a future mind reader - so there fore I do not know what you are thinking right now - but when your read this you will think I am full of crap!!
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Interesting, evolving participation. Changing min. pts from 20 to 50, adding:
#4 sense vs emotion or 'feelings' (?) Where touch is supposed to be feeling, I think you are suggesting else. Also wonder - I thought touch was specific to epidermis. Or, is it a nerve thing?
Sunbow's add:
Sense of direction
Sense of distance
Sense of being
RobinD> jpkemp, I wonder if your numbers 7 to 12 are feelings rather than senses?
Well, I also put up #6 Sense of balance, I'll field that. As I recall, That one was identified as having relevance to ears, similar to sense of hearing or sounds. But IMO is not same deal. Cannot the deaf walk upright without stumbling?
But similarly, part of sense of distance is related to eyes, where when paired, can triangulate to perceive depth. With loss of one eye, the triangulation is gone, but sight remains. It is still possible to re-cognize objects, such as people and cars. So it is intuitively something different and distinct.
Yet there's another sense of distance, or proximity. First, when facing another and wishing to speak or communicate, how close do two parties get? Are there not senses to tell you about "too far" or "too close"? With a stretch, this goes beyond eyesight. One senses someone behind them - as in a closeness. So couldn't it be that the sense is more than simple use of eyes?
Victor_R> jpkemp: The five parts of the sense of taste are salty, sweet, bitter, and sour
er, I only count four there, want to run that by me again?
Also, can you elaborate on "A sense" vs "The Sense" and give us a nutshell vs of difference between "the SENSE of existence - see Sahaja yoga" and "the SENSE of Being - see Haptic communication" for the masses? - for initially the being and existence sense seem rather similar.
jpkemp, I like the breakdown work such as 5a, 5b, etc., but on your 6th sense vs apples counter, the opening for a 7th sense seems to have been closed, while with apples you can still have ten, or buschels of them, while individually they are rather similar. What is similar from one sense to another?
Sense of purpose
how about - what does it take to define or validate it being a sense. I can begin with old medical school (<heh> AMA) of dealing with opposites, and scalpels. Such that, Take scalpel and put out both Oedipal eyes, person has no sight, therefor, eyes are needed for sight, and sight is a ture sense because it it directly related to a physical, not emotional, part of body or being. Remove tongue and there's loss of taste. Remove ears there's loss of hearing.
Similarly a method can employ a medium for validating true sense. Such as light for sight and sound for hearing.
thedevilinthebelfry> but until science can reliably test these other "senses", ... I feel it is only a matter of time before such things will be truly recognized in the mainstream (scientific ...
I am multiply pessimistic. Science is not moved to do so. Such changes ever seem to come from, originate with, non-scientists, who ever steer for some perceived majority opinion or are steered only by some funding operation, such as by gov't esp. military. They are not moved to pursue truth any more than prosecuting attorneys.
rrhunt28> to look at most peoples lists, things they have listed tend to fall into the first recognized 5.
er, you are not only one, but hey, can you map any for the rest of us? I can begin a little by the map of sense of balance to ear area, leading to map to hearing sense as opposed to sight or other.
Let us remember, shall we, no two created perfectly equal, where people can have differing abilities to see clearly, and some make have a distinguishing ability of "perfect pitch" (while some calim to sing in shower and rest of family refers to sounds as plain old noise). Such that, for example, two individuals may have differing abilities for a sense of direction. Don't some people get lost more than others? (I noticed that having higher frequency among Mensa classed).
thedevilinthebelfry> "A"Because mainstream science can not explain/understand/measure
hmm, "manipulate". Seems early famed ESP-ers in pretense of scientific approach, remained gullible enough to permit themselves to be manipulated by subjects. While I remain in disagreement with their magical formulae, I think their gullibility rather diminished their reports of success. Even the great_god Dr Rhine(s). Now consider, later work on sheep/goats. Apparently, the goats can do better than sheep - simply amazing, for it involves manipulation. For less informed, the goat is one who claims disbelief in ESP. Is tested for ESP. And succeeds in 'guessing' incorrectly - at a rate extremely higher than simple chance would permit (simple luck would have them make many more correct 'guesses'), and often higher than the sheep/self_proclaimed_beli
#4 sense vs emotion or 'feelings' (?) Where touch is supposed to be feeling, I think you are suggesting else. Also wonder - I thought touch was specific to epidermis. Or, is it a nerve thing?
Sunbow's add:
Sense of direction
Sense of distance
Sense of being
RobinD> jpkemp, I wonder if your numbers 7 to 12 are feelings rather than senses?
Well, I also put up #6 Sense of balance, I'll field that. As I recall, That one was identified as having relevance to ears, similar to sense of hearing or sounds. But IMO is not same deal. Cannot the deaf walk upright without stumbling?
But similarly, part of sense of distance is related to eyes, where when paired, can triangulate to perceive depth. With loss of one eye, the triangulation is gone, but sight remains. It is still possible to re-cognize objects, such as people and cars. So it is intuitively something different and distinct.
Yet there's another sense of distance, or proximity. First, when facing another and wishing to speak or communicate, how close do two parties get? Are there not senses to tell you about "too far" or "too close"? With a stretch, this goes beyond eyesight. One senses someone behind them - as in a closeness. So couldn't it be that the sense is more than simple use of eyes?
Victor_R> jpkemp: The five parts of the sense of taste are salty, sweet, bitter, and sour
er, I only count four there, want to run that by me again?
Also, can you elaborate on "A sense" vs "The Sense" and give us a nutshell vs of difference between "the SENSE of existence - see Sahaja yoga" and "the SENSE of Being - see Haptic communication" for the masses? - for initially the being and existence sense seem rather similar.
jpkemp, I like the breakdown work such as 5a, 5b, etc., but on your 6th sense vs apples counter, the opening for a 7th sense seems to have been closed, while with apples you can still have ten, or buschels of them, while individually they are rather similar. What is similar from one sense to another?
Sense of purpose
how about - what does it take to define or validate it being a sense. I can begin with old medical school (<heh> AMA) of dealing with opposites, and scalpels. Such that, Take scalpel and put out both Oedipal eyes, person has no sight, therefor, eyes are needed for sight, and sight is a ture sense because it it directly related to a physical, not emotional, part of body or being. Remove tongue and there's loss of taste. Remove ears there's loss of hearing.
Similarly a method can employ a medium for validating true sense. Such as light for sight and sound for hearing.
thedevilinthebelfry> but until science can reliably test these other "senses", ... I feel it is only a matter of time before such things will be truly recognized in the mainstream (scientific ...
I am multiply pessimistic. Science is not moved to do so. Such changes ever seem to come from, originate with, non-scientists, who ever steer for some perceived majority opinion or are steered only by some funding operation, such as by gov't esp. military. They are not moved to pursue truth any more than prosecuting attorneys.
rrhunt28> to look at most peoples lists, things they have listed tend to fall into the first recognized 5.
er, you are not only one, but hey, can you map any for the rest of us? I can begin a little by the map of sense of balance to ear area, leading to map to hearing sense as opposed to sight or other.
Let us remember, shall we, no two created perfectly equal, where people can have differing abilities to see clearly, and some make have a distinguishing ability of "perfect pitch" (while some calim to sing in shower and rest of family refers to sounds as plain old noise). Such that, for example, two individuals may have differing abilities for a sense of direction. Don't some people get lost more than others? (I noticed that having higher frequency among Mensa classed).
thedevilinthebelfry> "A"Because mainstream science can not explain/understand/measure
hmm, "manipulate". Seems early famed ESP-ers in pretense of scientific approach, remained gullible enough to permit themselves to be manipulated by subjects. While I remain in disagreement with their magical formulae, I think their gullibility rather diminished their reports of success. Even the great_god Dr Rhine(s). Now consider, later work on sheep/goats. Apparently, the goats can do better than sheep - simply amazing, for it involves manipulation. For less informed, the goat is one who claims disbelief in ESP. Is tested for ESP. And succeeds in 'guessing' incorrectly - at a rate extremely higher than simple chance would permit (simple luck would have them make many more correct 'guesses'), and often higher than the sheep/self_proclaimed_beli
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jugs_monthly> from sleep paralysis
er, sorry, what's that? I'm getting sold on "sense of fear" but I also wonder if that label is being applied differently in some comments.
MusicMan> Sense of Humour. Strange thing about it is that if you accuse someone of not having it, they suddenly lose it.
:-)
<heh> this is surely winner by me, at least a side "points_for". More. More? More! The mind-readers are close. But may|be more worn cliche.
Sense of Belonging
Sense of Unity
Sense of Relating
er, sorry, what's that? I'm getting sold on "sense of fear" but I also wonder if that label is being applied differently in some comments.
MusicMan> Sense of Humour. Strange thing about it is that if you accuse someone of not having it, they suddenly lose it.
:-)
<heh> this is surely winner by me, at least a side "points_for". More. More? More! The mind-readers are close. But may|be more worn cliche.
Sense of Belonging
Sense of Unity
Sense of Relating
This is what is listed for sense >
Any of the faculties by which stimuli from outside or inside the body are received and felt, as the faculties of hearing, sight, smell, touch, taste, and equilibrium.
A perception or feeling produced by a stimulus; sensation: a sense of fatigue and hunger.
senses The faculties of sensation as means of providing physical gratification and pleasure.
An intuitive or acquired perception or ability to estimate: a sense of diplomatic timing.
A capacity to appreciate or understand: a keen sense of humor.
A vague feeling or presentiment: a sense of impending doom.
Recognition or perception either through the senses or through the intellect; consciousness: has no sense of shame.
Natural understanding or intelligence, especially in practical matters: The boy had sense and knew just what to do when he got lost.
The normal ability to think or reason soundly. Often used in the plural: Have you taken leave of your senses?
Something sound or reasonable: There's no sense in waiting three hours.
A meaning that is conveyed, as in speech or writing; signification: The sense of the novel is the inevitability of human tragedy.
One of the meanings of a word or phrase: The word set has many senses. See Synonyms at meaning.
Judgment; consensus: sounding out the sense of the electorate on capital punishment.
Intellectual interpretation, as of the significance of an event or the conclusions reached by a group: I came away from the meeting with the sense that we had resolved all outstanding issues.
Now, are we supposed to talk strictly about the word sense as it relates to stimuli? Or take a broader look?
I was strictly thinking stimuli, as in touch taste ect.
Clearly some of these other entries go beyond that.
Any of the faculties by which stimuli from outside or inside the body are received and felt, as the faculties of hearing, sight, smell, touch, taste, and equilibrium.
A perception or feeling produced by a stimulus; sensation: a sense of fatigue and hunger.
senses The faculties of sensation as means of providing physical gratification and pleasure.
An intuitive or acquired perception or ability to estimate: a sense of diplomatic timing.
A capacity to appreciate or understand: a keen sense of humor.
A vague feeling or presentiment: a sense of impending doom.
Recognition or perception either through the senses or through the intellect; consciousness: has no sense of shame.
Natural understanding or intelligence, especially in practical matters: The boy had sense and knew just what to do when he got lost.
The normal ability to think or reason soundly. Often used in the plural: Have you taken leave of your senses?
Something sound or reasonable: There's no sense in waiting three hours.
A meaning that is conveyed, as in speech or writing; signification: The sense of the novel is the inevitability of human tragedy.
One of the meanings of a word or phrase: The word set has many senses. See Synonyms at meaning.
Judgment; consensus: sounding out the sense of the electorate on capital punishment.
Intellectual interpretation, as of the significance of an event or the conclusions reached by a group: I came away from the meeting with the sense that we had resolved all outstanding issues.
Now, are we supposed to talk strictly about the word sense as it relates to stimuli? Or take a broader look?
I was strictly thinking stimuli, as in touch taste ect.
Clearly some of these other entries go beyond that.
aND WHAT ABOUT PHANTOM PAIN, IS IT A TRUE "SENSE"? aND OFCORSE ALL SENSE ACTULLY OCCURES IN THE BRAIN.
SunBow>> More. More? More!
Translated loosely from the ancient texts as please keep it coming... the architecture of this language is so direct - good communications.
: )
Also - - - sinsemilla?? Does that count....
Translated loosely from the ancient texts as please keep it coming... the architecture of this language is so direct - good communications.
: )
Also - - - sinsemilla?? Does that count....
Amending my list...
1. Sight
2. Hearing
3. Smell
4. Taste (sweet, sour, bitter, salty (thanks Victor R) & "good" (MSG))
5. Touch
5a. Heat
5b. Cold
5c. Pressure
5d. Pain
6. Balance
I agree with RobinD's differentiation between senses and "feelings".
I take a "sense" to mean something that is detected physically (i.e. with some kind of biological instrument) and registered in the human brain.
Therefore, phantom pains (e.g. from an amputated limb) would not be a sense but a "false sense" - false signals misinterpreted by the brain.
Sense of direction, sense of place - I think these are actually deductions made by the brain based on the other senses and memory (e.g. sight, balance, memory of previous movements). Similarly, some other senses listed above are social constructs and don't have a separate "sense organ".
Jeff
1. Sight
2. Hearing
3. Smell
4. Taste (sweet, sour, bitter, salty (thanks Victor R) & "good" (MSG))
5. Touch
5a. Heat
5b. Cold
5c. Pressure
5d. Pain
6. Balance
I agree with RobinD's differentiation between senses and "feelings".
I take a "sense" to mean something that is detected physically (i.e. with some kind of biological instrument) and registered in the human brain.
Therefore, phantom pains (e.g. from an amputated limb) would not be a sense but a "false sense" - false signals misinterpreted by the brain.
Sense of direction, sense of place - I think these are actually deductions made by the brain based on the other senses and memory (e.g. sight, balance, memory of previous movements). Similarly, some other senses listed above are social constructs and don't have a separate "sense organ".
Jeff
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rrhunt28> the faculties by which stimuli
As I suspected, the AMA influence. Detect action/reaction or don't bother to acknowledge existence of.
rrhunt28> a sense of diplomatic timing
Don't good comics have the better sense of timing than the masses?
> equilibrium.
A perception or feeling produced by a stimulus; sensation: a sense of fatigue and hunger senses The faculties of sensation as means of providing physical gratification and pleasure
OK, now:
Equilibrium may translate to balance?
Sense of hunger
Sense of fatigue
and...
Endorphins now count? Seratonin? hey/hey!
> are we supposed to talk strictly about the word sense as it relates to stimuli? Or take a broader look?
My intent was to permit this filling of blank:
Sense of _______________
and then we take it from there. I remain game for interesting alternative pursuits. Wonder: how would be defined the concept: stimuli?
As I suspected, the AMA influence. Detect action/reaction or don't bother to acknowledge existence of.
rrhunt28> a sense of diplomatic timing
Don't good comics have the better sense of timing than the masses?
> equilibrium.
A perception or feeling produced by a stimulus; sensation: a sense of fatigue and hunger senses The faculties of sensation as means of providing physical gratification and pleasure
OK, now:
Equilibrium may translate to balance?
Sense of hunger
Sense of fatigue
and...
Endorphins now count? Seratonin? hey/hey!
> are we supposed to talk strictly about the word sense as it relates to stimuli? Or take a broader look?
My intent was to permit this filling of blank:
Sense of _______________
and then we take it from there. I remain game for interesting alternative pursuits. Wonder: how would be defined the concept: stimuli?
what about sense of danger? - spider sense (from the movie spiderman) :)
Sensing that there is more than the five generaly accepted senses is in itself an impalpable proof there is.
For some this is a non-sense(!) for some others it's the 6th.
When I taste chocolate, it's darn good, and I don't care if it's sense #2 or #5.
For some this is a non-sense(!) for some others it's the 6th.
When I taste chocolate, it's darn good, and I don't care if it's sense #2 or #5.
I think everyone above is wrong - there is only one sense, and that is possesed by females only :-
Explain.....
My wife keeps telling me that I don't have the sense that I was born with.
She puts everything she "senses" down to Womens Intuition"
I am toooooooo scared to argue!
MM
Explain.....
My wife keeps telling me that I don't have the sense that I was born with.
She puts everything she "senses" down to Womens Intuition"
I am toooooooo scared to argue!
MM
Senses are different than feelings (sensations)??
Opposed to the 5 senses which give us the physical perception of outside world the other senses give us the perception of our interior world, therefor all the feeling/senses described could be well our n°th senses.
Can we say the five senses are "common senses"? Where opposed to that there can't be such thing as "common sense"!
No matter how many senses, we all will reach the peace of senses ;)
Opposed to the 5 senses which give us the physical perception of outside world the other senses give us the perception of our interior world, therefor all the feeling/senses described could be well our n°th senses.
Can we say the five senses are "common senses"? Where opposed to that there can't be such thing as "common sense"!
No matter how many senses, we all will reach the peace of senses ;)
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Isn't sleep paralysis when yuou sometimes wake in the middle of the night, and find yourself unable to move. Kind of like some self induced accidental hypnotic trance.
I would imagin sleep paralysis is just your body taking a minute to catch up. When you enter REM and dream your brain paralysis your body, so you do not act out the dream and hurt yourself. ANd yes mind waves of sorts would be stimuli.
I think its more serious than that, jugs monthly, can you tell us more?
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While at it... What is the 5th Dimension?
>tnn4
I don't know yet the fourth ... LOL
how about the sixth power and eighth wonder?
can be our sixth sense be the sixth power or eighth wonder?
I don't know yet the fourth ... LOL
how about the sixth power and eighth wonder?
can be our sixth sense be the sixth power or eighth wonder?
The fourth is "time", not a fact of course but that was einsteins thought.
You sound like you have some kinda bad problem jugs. Is it maybe stress triggered. I have anxiety that is stress triggered, I got so stressed out, I had to get meds to chill out.
We have several senses we don't think much about:
#6: Sense of "not enough air". We have sensors for low oxygen levels. But we don't have sensors for too high oxygen level, so you can overdose on oxygen.
#7: Proximity (heat) sensors, especially around the lips. Close your eyes and move your hand in front of your face. Most people can easily "feel" the heat from their hand from several inches away from their lips.
#8: Sense of falling. You feel this in an elevator. It's a feeling that seems to emanate from your stomach or thereabouts.
Regards,
grg99
#6: Sense of "not enough air". We have sensors for low oxygen levels. But we don't have sensors for too high oxygen level, so you can overdose on oxygen.
#7: Proximity (heat) sensors, especially around the lips. Close your eyes and move your hand in front of your face. Most people can easily "feel" the heat from their hand from several inches away from their lips.
#8: Sense of falling. You feel this in an elevator. It's a feeling that seems to emanate from your stomach or thereabouts.
Regards,
grg99
I hate when you get the sense of falling for no reason, like in bed. That creeps me out. Yes I remember now there is a "sensor" in the aortic arch i think for o2
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I keep a map in my brain HEHE
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> I am not a normal mind reader - I am a future mind reader
Smells fishy.
> When I taste chocolate, it's darn good, and I don't care if it's sense #2 or #5.
I see what you mean.
> I hate when you get the sense of falling for no reason,
Now that's palatable.
> This can happen to me 2 or 3 nights in a week and then not again for a year or more.
I feel for you.
> My wife keeps telling me that I don't have the sense that I was born with.
I hear that.
> I got so stressed out, I had to get meds to chill out.
I smell a rat.
Smells fishy.
> When I taste chocolate, it's darn good, and I don't care if it's sense #2 or #5.
I see what you mean.
> I hate when you get the sense of falling for no reason,
Now that's palatable.
> This can happen to me 2 or 3 nights in a week and then not again for a year or more.
I feel for you.
> My wife keeps telling me that I don't have the sense that I was born with.
I hear that.
> I got so stressed out, I had to get meds to chill out.
I smell a rat.
I am not a rat shesh.
>>Smells fishy.
Well it was a WHALE of a story.... I know, way to cheezy... and incorrect (a whale is not a fish)...nobody correct me...
No sense of humor any of ya....
Well it was a WHALE of a story.... I know, way to cheezy... and incorrect (a whale is not a fish)...nobody correct me...
No sense of humor any of ya....
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interesting comments above on the period between ... not fully asleep,, not fully awake,, yet getting concious
When i was much younger, I would find myself sitting straight up in my bed and fully alert with a fight or flight reaction going on. No idea why. I always thought it happend when i was awake, but it was probably after i had dozed off. It really scares you as a little kid to find yourself sitting up and not know why or how.
In response to SunBow, jpkemp, grg99 about balance... Not the best sites, but I can't any on Google that describe it better.
http://www.vestibular.org/healthy.html
http://ifcsun1.ifisiol.unam.mx/Brain/balance.htm.
I dunno about the falling feeling in your stomach - I guess it's your internal organs being compressed, which is such a strange (and alarming) feeling it seems unpleasant.
http://www.vestibular.org/healthy.html
http://ifcsun1.ifisiol.unam.mx/Brain/balance.htm.
I dunno about the falling feeling in your stomach - I guess it's your internal organs being compressed, which is such a strange (and alarming) feeling it seems unpleasant.
I, having experienced something like it myself do believe that there truly is some form of ESP, why we have this or when we are most perceptive I dont know, but hey, thought I would add my tuppence worth
well firstly, to say science limits senses to five because of our digits is slightly off, but per-chance accurate. remember, we are on a base ten system because of our digits...
at any rate. the problem with many of the senses deals with the initial name. in particular i see a lot of people saying the sense of touch, when in actuality it is the sense of feeling...that is to say, being able to feel changes in or on the body, etc. if we take that into account, then the sense of fear, balance, etc can all easily fall under the sense of feeling. any emotion can, actually, sense if we get real technical the distinguishing marks between emotions is how it make the body and mind feel.
another thing to question is whether some of the things being listed fall into what the question seems to ask. sense of being is a thought, given an english description that happens to be "sense of being." but is it really a "sense?"
sense of direction...i really liked that one. but ultimately a sense of direction is a gut feeling...ya see where i am going, right?
basically we can reduce almost anything down to one of the 5 basic senses we all ackowledge.
at any rate. the problem with many of the senses deals with the initial name. in particular i see a lot of people saying the sense of touch, when in actuality it is the sense of feeling...that is to say, being able to feel changes in or on the body, etc. if we take that into account, then the sense of fear, balance, etc can all easily fall under the sense of feeling. any emotion can, actually, sense if we get real technical the distinguishing marks between emotions is how it make the body and mind feel.
another thing to question is whether some of the things being listed fall into what the question seems to ask. sense of being is a thought, given an english description that happens to be "sense of being." but is it really a "sense?"
sense of direction...i really liked that one. but ultimately a sense of direction is a gut feeling...ya see where i am going, right?
basically we can reduce almost anything down to one of the 5 basic senses we all ackowledge.
as far as sense of direction there have been studies on animals that can "map" their way around, and they find a magnetic substance in their brain, magnatite or something. They think it acts like a compass. Some humans probably have the same thing...
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> that there truly is some form of ESP
well, of what kind? Surely not a new sense that makes one see dead people.
violent1, you are close to bridging physical/emotional with the sense of feeling. How about having a go at sense of balance? A feeling?
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-leaves a bad taste in my mouth
-had a feeling you'd say that
-sound good to you?
-looks ok from here
- A-ah-a-Choo-oo!
well, of what kind? Surely not a new sense that makes one see dead people.
violent1, you are close to bridging physical/emotional with the sense of feeling. How about having a go at sense of balance? A feeling?
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-leaves a bad taste in my mouth
-had a feeling you'd say that
-sound good to you?
-looks ok from here
- A-ah-a-Choo-oo!
Sense of balance?
I don’t believe balance is a sense, more of a technique or skill. When we are born we have the five “common” senses. How well they work is just the luck of the birth, but a healthy baby will have the five senses already working. Babies will spit out food if they don’t like the taste, a loud bang will make them jump or cry, they will grip our finger for security, and chew it just to see what it tastes like. Our senses, although being common to everyone, are also unique: not everyone likes scrambled egg and peanut butter sandwiches, some people don’t like opera, a nice smell for one person is a horrible stench for another etc etc.
Balance, however, is an art form. We all learn it, and some are better at it than others. When we first walk we fall over, but eventually we master it. As children we try new things, scooters, bikes, roller skates etc. I bet a first time roller skater or cyclist will fall ass over tit several times until balance is learned and mastered, then it becomes 2nd nature.
Therefore I don’t think balance can be included as a sense, it is a skill that we can all learn.
I don’t believe balance is a sense, more of a technique or skill. When we are born we have the five “common” senses. How well they work is just the luck of the birth, but a healthy baby will have the five senses already working. Babies will spit out food if they don’t like the taste, a loud bang will make them jump or cry, they will grip our finger for security, and chew it just to see what it tastes like. Our senses, although being common to everyone, are also unique: not everyone likes scrambled egg and peanut butter sandwiches, some people don’t like opera, a nice smell for one person is a horrible stench for another etc etc.
Balance, however, is an art form. We all learn it, and some are better at it than others. When we first walk we fall over, but eventually we master it. As children we try new things, scooters, bikes, roller skates etc. I bet a first time roller skater or cyclist will fall ass over tit several times until balance is learned and mastered, then it becomes 2nd nature.
Therefore I don’t think balance can be included as a sense, it is a skill that we can all learn.
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MusicMan,
I think you are referencing more a capability or talent re: balance. Some people see better than others. Some are better wine tasters. Some have perfect pitch (which they say is also a trainable skill). Some are super sensitive, and some are paid well to distinguish perfume effects.
For balance, there are physical parts near ear, without which one cannot remain upright, and the physical nature is underscored by adverse impact of alcohol, where at about the time the guy thinks the toothless waitress is the prettiest thing on earth, about the time that one will no longer stick to brands but drink anything with alcohol, about the time one cannot hear well without increased volume, well, isn't that also about the time one cannot sit very upright on a stool, let alone walk a straight line? It at least rings of a very physical nature, while being independent of hearing.
I thought .... newborns could not see well.
MarkSteward> Remember this is a puzzle, so
yes, I rather doubt it would play well in Science TA, but I remain quisitive on the why (not)? Improving definition could help, i dunno. Also see:
> I acknowledge there may be more than one viable 'answer'
(I do that at times)
re: ESP, I'm currently forgetful on those subtopics, but it doen't seem to ring that they fall under pattern of "sense of _________", despite the coined label.
I think you are referencing more a capability or talent re: balance. Some people see better than others. Some are better wine tasters. Some have perfect pitch (which they say is also a trainable skill). Some are super sensitive, and some are paid well to distinguish perfume effects.
For balance, there are physical parts near ear, without which one cannot remain upright, and the physical nature is underscored by adverse impact of alcohol, where at about the time the guy thinks the toothless waitress is the prettiest thing on earth, about the time that one will no longer stick to brands but drink anything with alcohol, about the time one cannot hear well without increased volume, well, isn't that also about the time one cannot sit very upright on a stool, let alone walk a straight line? It at least rings of a very physical nature, while being independent of hearing.
I thought .... newborns could not see well.
MarkSteward> Remember this is a puzzle, so
yes, I rather doubt it would play well in Science TA, but I remain quisitive on the why (not)? Improving definition could help, i dunno. Also see:
> I acknowledge there may be more than one viable 'answer'
(I do that at times)
re: ESP, I'm currently forgetful on those subtopics, but it doen't seem to ring that they fall under pattern of "sense of _________", despite the coined label.
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What you are discribing "able to get used to something through familiarity". I think is called sensory adaptation. It is when something has triggered a sense so many times it becomes a normal thing, and you somewhat ignore it. It is like when you put on perfume, or aftershave in the morning. At first you smell it and it is strong, then after a few minutes you do not even notice it. It is not that it does not smell anymore, it is the fact that your brain is filtering it out.
I have heard that if you can force yourself to eat something, even if you do not like it for like 7 times, you will become used to it. Not sure how true that is, just something I heard.
I have heard that if you can force yourself to eat something, even if you do not like it for like 7 times, you will become used to it. Not sure how true that is, just something I heard.
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> Some people are more observant than others
hmmm, interesting..
> but can I train myself
yes, you can become a better you, just not necessarily any better at anything than your mate
re: hearing, wasn't it said that Beethoven composed better stuff when he was stone deaf?
> your brain is filtering it out.
... interesting ...
> even if you do not like it for like 7 times, you will become used to it
Yeah, I leaned, parents know best (eat it or be humiliated and starve). But there's still much I cannot stomach, and over time, my tastes continue to adapt.
But story also has the opposite. You like Yogurt? It is good? Eat it every meal, and eventually, you'l not be able to handle another spoonful for a very long time. So they say. I abuse food, but never any one thing that consistently.
Perfume? Yeah, like Makeup. It tends to be a 'normal you' until you get in elevator and others are overcome by aroma, then you get into an meeting with the lights turned up, and you look like a clown. Some guys do as well with their colognes. And then, there carry bag containing their change of clothes - their sweats <phew>
ESP? I remember one: PreCog (like the movie?) How about:
Sense of PreCognition?
Naw, it don't ring well to me. It ain't like you sense it, You have it, do it, or you don't.
hmmm, interesting..
> but can I train myself
yes, you can become a better you, just not necessarily any better at anything than your mate
re: hearing, wasn't it said that Beethoven composed better stuff when he was stone deaf?
> your brain is filtering it out.
... interesting ...
> even if you do not like it for like 7 times, you will become used to it
Yeah, I leaned, parents know best (eat it or be humiliated and starve). But there's still much I cannot stomach, and over time, my tastes continue to adapt.
But story also has the opposite. You like Yogurt? It is good? Eat it every meal, and eventually, you'l not be able to handle another spoonful for a very long time. So they say. I abuse food, but never any one thing that consistently.
Perfume? Yeah, like Makeup. It tends to be a 'normal you' until you get in elevator and others are overcome by aroma, then you get into an meeting with the lights turned up, and you look like a clown. Some guys do as well with their colognes. And then, there carry bag containing their change of clothes - their sweats <phew>
ESP? I remember one: PreCog (like the movie?) How about:
Sense of PreCognition?
Naw, it don't ring well to me. It ain't like you sense it, You have it, do it, or you don't.
I am guessing your a girl sunbow, I apploigize if you are, I for some strange reason assumed you where a guy.
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Eyes focus on Rohrshack's screen, look at these pixels, and tell of the (human) form you do see <taking out clipboard to record all for posterity>
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http://www.omnimag.com/archives/chats/br050997.html
".. involve random actions of the cortex by the lower parts of the brain, they give us a lot of chaotic information to try and organize. Therefore, you can see what someone's story synthesizer will do with what probably amounts to random firing. It's almost the equivalent of giving the cortex itself a kind of electrical Rohrshack test."
(cheeze, do you need cortex to make sense of sense?)
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http://www.omnimag.com/archives/chats/br050997.html
".. involve random actions of the cortex by the lower parts of the brain, they give us a lot of chaotic information to try and organize. Therefore, you can see what someone's story synthesizer will do with what probably amounts to random firing. It's almost the equivalent of giving the cortex itself a kind of electrical Rohrshack test."
(cheeze, do you need cortex to make sense of sense?)
Are we back to having to translate SunBow-eze?
darn
the sense of getting hooked on an EE thing at 3am
the sense of getting hooked on an EE thing at 3am
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not non_sense
Im confused...
Yes, the central idea in the book is that psychotherapy works by changing the interconnection between the nerve cells in the cerebral cortex. In so doing, it changes how your brain processes information, which changes the contents of the ideas in your mind. <
Seems dangerous to me.
Seems dangerous to me.
Common
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Oh dear, having earlier tried to define a difference between physical senses and emotional feelings which are attibuted the name 'sense', I have just come up with a 'sense of right and wrong' which although seems to fall into the latter category, I am told is innate within us.
This 'sense' lies behind all our decision-making, it allows us to have a choice in most things we do.
This 'sense' lies behind all our decision-making, it allows us to have a choice in most things we do.
Robin, that is not a sensory function. That is, in fact, a "natural understanding or intellegence of." That is why people who cannot discern right from wrong are often called "nonsensical." Not because they lack sensory organs but because they are without the ability to make discernments (i.e., they lack the intellegence or arguaby, experience). Anything related to decision making is not a sensory function. That form of sense, as above, is a natural understanding or intellegence of.
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tncbbthositg> the only evidence of ESP that exists is that people with reason can pseudo-accurately predict upcoming events in a top-down process
er, doesn't sound like that one came outta Duke
er, doesn't sound like that one came outta Duke
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'sense of right and wrong' - hmmm
how about sense of motion, did we do that yet? Like balance, but not identical.
how about sense of motion, did we do that yet? Like balance, but not identical.
What about the sense of a body map. In our brains we have a map of our body so we can do things like touch the end of our nose with our eyes closed and not really see where in space our nose is.
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I wasn't aware this thread was still going!
Anyway, Dan - is "umami" the "good" taste we get from MSG? And what is "gaydar"? I'm curious.
Jeff
Anyway, Dan - is "umami" the "good" taste we get from MSG? And what is "gaydar"? I'm curious.
Jeff
It's a 50-pt question or a 12-second search on google. You'r call.
-- Dan
-- Dan
No prob Dan.
HEHE
Gaydar is a sense that primarly gays are said to have. It allows them to find eachother at parties, or in clubs. So that they only hit on gay people and not straight.
Gaydar is a sense that primarly gays are said to have. It allows them to find eachother at parties, or in clubs. So that they only hit on gay people and not straight.
How about PAQ, as this is an interesting puzzle, even if we don't have the answer? There were some good answers to question #1, and we were starting to get a good definition of sense, as well as a huge number of ideas commonly thought of as senses.
I don't think there'd be any harm in keeping this on record. Perhaps we can pick up on it later.
Best wishes,
Mark
I don't think there'd be any harm in keeping this on record. Perhaps we can pick up on it later.
Best wishes,
Mark
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Hi. Sorry I been busy, but this is among those I thought closed long ago, just noticed it (maybe due to using the new look). It is usually worth an additional couple hundred when I get multiple good contributions. So...
Quick glancing, thank you MarkSteward for comment, if you've not contributed yet, feel free to do so while I try to catch up on the above, and, Venabili (and other mods), thanks for the understanding and not closing it yet, but if you have to, at least give it a PAQ and some points to a few good contributors. I'll raise it quick to 200 if you're in a hurry (or I get delayed again). This is among my major topics in threads in EE, the content solicited. So PLZ do not discount either it or the value of contributions.
Quick glancing, thank you MarkSteward for comment, if you've not contributed yet, feel free to do so while I try to catch up on the above, and, Venabili (and other mods), thanks for the understanding and not closing it yet, but if you have to, at least give it a PAQ and some points to a few good contributors. I'll raise it quick to 200 if you're in a hurry (or I get delayed again). This is among my major topics in threads in EE, the content solicited. So PLZ do not discount either it or the value of contributions.
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Okay, rather than try to give a few to each, this way there'll be more for the others. Awarding points only to a top ten, in roughly this order:
jpkemp
DanRollins
grg99
thedevilinthebelfry
MarkSteward
tncbbthositg
jugs_monthly
MusicMan
RobinD
rrhunt28
It looks like a toss-up between the latter and the first two for best at clarifying and keeping the thread going, the coin toss goes to jpkemp. I'll just get 50 ea to all of the ten except the latter, my friend I'll take care of some other way if he ever shows up again. I'm not going to try to compare any one answer vs another, but those who've been around probably have a good idea of what I like. For any latter day newbie to thread, try a search for that or do it yourself. So that leaves an extra 50 for 'Best answer', (which we really have not found yet).
Thank you all for both the contributions and the patience.
jpkemp
DanRollins
grg99
thedevilinthebelfry
MarkSteward
tncbbthositg
jugs_monthly
MusicMan
RobinD
rrhunt28
It looks like a toss-up between the latter and the first two for best at clarifying and keeping the thread going, the coin toss goes to jpkemp. I'll just get 50 ea to all of the ten except the latter, my friend I'll take care of some other way if he ever shows up again. I'm not going to try to compare any one answer vs another, but those who've been around probably have a good idea of what I like. For any latter day newbie to thread, try a search for that or do it yourself. So that leaves an extra 50 for 'Best answer', (which we really have not found yet).
Thank you all for both the contributions and the patience.
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Amendment, so many were omitted from the ten, during the split I noticed one from Victor_R that was just too deserved, so I just had to include it among the best. So in another 'sense' of fair play, that's an even 50 each to ten of the contributors.
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One: Sense of Balance
Lose it and now try to remain upright biped and walk a straight line or you get labeled a DWI or DUI etc.
btw, if ESP is sense #6, then which one is sense #3? What kind of a number sequence (math TA?) is this?