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DSL + DHCP

Asked by: mickeypar

I have a workgroup.  I have a server that is running Windows 2k Server and has no active directory.  I have 4 computers as workstationis that is running windows 2K professional.  I just got my DSL router to connect to the internet.  

ISSUE:
I want all my workstations to connect to my server before they can connect to the internet.  Please provide me a detail steps of how to do it.  I have been trying for 1 week now searching for an answer, please help, I had never done.

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Answers

 

by: ridPosted on 2003-07-03 at 23:35:23ID: 8854702

1) Tell us why you want the users to connect to the server first. A router provides an excellent gateway to the internet
in itself, so a "server" is not needed for functionality.

2) How does DHCP relate here? The router may have a DHCP server inside. You don't need DHCP at all, really; a static IP
system is just as easy, perhaps even better in a small network like you describe here.

Regards
/RID

 

by: mickeyparPosted on 2003-07-04 at 01:53:05ID: 8855162

Answers:
1).   Because I wanted users to connect to server before they can go to the internet and let the server provide them the internet and directly to the router, yes dsl router is itselft is a dhcp but I do not want it to be the dhcp I want my server to be the dhcp server

2).  I wanted my server to be the dhcp server and not the router, yes a static ip system is good but please tell me how to accomplish this in detail from scratch.

3).  Another thing is my friend that owns a small business wants this type of setup and he is asking me to do it for him.  I do understand a little bit of networking but I need a lot of help to accomplish this issue which I had never done yet.  If I can do this at my little network at home then I can duplicate it at his office.  Please I beg of you to help me accomplish detail from scratch.  Please teach me how to set it up and configure the router, server and workstations from scracth and in detail step by step.  I would really appreciate it.

I know I have a lot to learn so please help me learn.................  I do not have a friend or anybody to help and show me the way.  Thank you in advance.

Mickey

 

by: ridPosted on 2003-07-04 at 02:21:24ID: 8855294

OK.
This sounds like some kind of security idea. I'm not convinced it is possible to do it like that, unless you have set up a
domain, and require domain logon on the workstations. Without a domain logon system, I think that the routing service
on the server will be available to all workstations, even without a logon to the server. To me this sounds unnecessarily
complicated for a small network setup... All users are supposed to be allowed to logon, I assume, and so they get
internet access. What is the difference, then, if they can go on the internet without logging in? Or are there unauthorized
persons on the premises?

In short, I think you need to set up a domain for this system. I'm sorry, but that is beyond my expertise.

Regards
/RID

 

by: PsyclonesPosted on 2003-07-04 at 02:31:40ID: 8855343

Hmm sounds as though you requier the setup as per we have here,

All computers require logon from a valid account which is stored on the 2k server.

Everyone has to be authorised through this server before the can use any of the computers.

All users with accounts can log on to any machine with thier own desktop due to authorisation

Once logged on they can access the internet directly through our firewall which uses a squid authentication ( you can make the server do this if you need to regulate where people are allowed to go)

Router / Firewall has is own ip
each machine  has its own ip
each printer has its own ip
and the server has its own ip

DHCP is used from the server for laptops / mobiles pluggin into our network.

They also need to authorise through either thier own account or a guest account

Every user needs a username and password to access the internet.
Firewall software can regulate where and when they are allowed to browse.

If you do set this up in a small business you will need to write and issue an IAUP (Internet acceptable user policy) just to ensure they dont try to take you to court for something they seen opened ect ect.

Is this what you need?

If so I hope you have a lot of time as these things are not setup quickly.

Accounts, Privledges, Files shares, mapped drives, ips, dhcp range, routing, gateway etc etc all need to be figured out before you start.

 

by: mickeyparPosted on 2003-07-04 at 10:51:52ID: 8857835

Yes, please help me start from scratch, please give me the detail step by step of how to do it.  I am at a lost at the moment

Thank you very much for all your help

mickey

 

by: jslingerlandPosted on 2003-07-04 at 16:24:31ID: 8858818

turn off dhcp on router - and run dhcp on the server

 

by: jslingerlandPosted on 2003-07-04 at 16:27:36ID: 8858822

i really would just user the dhcp on the router - screw your idia - much too crofty for a small network

 

by: mazzlPosted on 2003-07-06 at 09:13:28ID: 8864105

1: make connection from router to main server
2: install dhcp server (or simply enable ics)on server
3: connect a hub to the server (server has to have 2 network cards)
4: connect the other pc's to the hub

this way the other machines have no direct connection with the internet router / modem
and will have to go trhoug the server

 

by: zoranssPosted on 2003-07-06 at 15:03:20ID: 8865391

but this whole set up will make network much slower and doesn't make sence to me. Everyone is trying to improve network performance not to slow it down. ???  that means your network, will be slow.


I rather  would install active directory ( to increase security) and run dhcp from server.

this would be my setup:


                    ISP


                 router

              hub/switch

server / laptops/ desktops

i agree with Psyclone




 

by: PsyclonesPosted on 2003-07-07 at 01:23:50ID: 8867624

MickeyPar,

Can i suggest you take a look at www.wown.com

everything you require about networking and accoutns, privaleges etc etc is on this website.

This should get you about 90 done with this project.

hope this helps.

Psyclones

 

by: beekercPosted on 2003-07-08 at 14:07:15ID: 8880519

First off, the DHCP is a trivial issue.  If you want to run it on the server and not the router (or vice-versa), turn it off in one and on in the other.  I think that router based DHCP servers are a lot easier to maintain and configure than Microsoft's, but it does put it at the firewall instead of behind it.  Either way, location will have no impact on its performance.

Now the meat, why do you need to have the PC's go "through the server" to get to the internet?  A network topology of

(A) ISP ---- router ---- server ---- hub/switch --+-- desktops
                                                  +-- laptops

doesn't really make much sense since you have to dual-home (install two network cards) in the server, you have to turn IP forwarding on (which essentially turs it into a router as well).  Also, it adds a point of failure - if the server goes down, has network problems, NIC failure, etc., then you've lost all internet access.  With a more normal topology

                                      +-- server
(B) ISP ---- router ---- hub/switch --+-- desktops
                                      +-- laptops

you don't have that vulnerability.  Configuration (A) does work if you intend to use the server as a screening router/packet filter/firewall, but 1) why do that if you already have a router in place and 2) if you are going to have a machine acting in that capacity, you certainly would not want it to be a server of any kind, especially not the domain controller - security wise, that's just way too dangerous.  The only that seems to make any sense is you want to do internet sharing through the server, but, again, that's something the router will be doing.

So, unless I'm missing something that hasn't been included in this thread, I'd proceed as follows using configuration (B)....

1) install router/firewall
 - turn off DHCP
 - assign public IP (either static of DHCP) to the "outside" interface of router/firewall
 - set ISP's DNS addresses (if required)
 - assign private IP (192.168.1.1) to "inside" interface of router/firewall
 - configure (harden) router/firewall with access rules, security, etc.
2) install hub/switch
3) build server
 - install Windows 2000 Server
 - decide if you want to run as an AD Domain Controller or just a member server
     for this, unless you require a domain structure, just install a member server
 - configure a static IP (192.168.1.2), set gateway to 192.168.1.1
 - install DHCP server
 - specify DHCP pool (192.169.1.16 to 192.168.1.254)
 - specify default gateway to pass along to clients (192.168.1.1)
 - specify DNS server addresses to pass along to clients (from ISP)
 - if installing as a domain controller, set up user accounts
 - might want to setup a WINS server here too, just a suggestion
4) build workstations
 - join appropriate domain or workgroup
 - set TCP/IP properties to get DHCP address

If there is a specific reason for using configuration (A), please let us know.

 

by: pbessmanPosted on 2003-07-09 at 20:15:18ID: 8890628

Get a good network plus book.  I passed mine with flying colors.  The responses here are much too elaborate and drawn out.
If you want to expose this server to the internet for such things as a mail server or webserver, it should either be placed in the DMZ of the router, or moved to the direct connection and the router could be eliminated entirely.  If yuo have already bought the router and are pressed for cash, I can tell you really quick how to turn a router into a really expensive ethernet switch.

 

by: pbessmanPosted on 2003-07-23 at 19:00:05ID: 8991481

OK still no responses.  Set up the 200o server as DHCP server.  Connect the routers internet port to network side of server as you are now feeding the internet to your network through the router.

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