Question

How do I trace the route from my machine to the smtp server?

Asked by: Ederwainer

Many of my clients began to have trouble while sending email.
We use godaddy as our mail server and the smtp sometimes do not respond from our email client.

So I tested the smtp server from a remote website and the server is up all the time, however many times during the day we cannot connect from our local machines. This is happening many times during the day and godaddy keep saying the server is not failing, and I believe them.

Now I need a way to trace a route all the way to the smtp server, so I might find where the request is being broken.

If you guys could help, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

Eder

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Answers

 

by: Berge1986Posted on 2009-02-06 at 11:53:20ID: 23573541

Start > Run > CMD

Use a tracert command so for example to trace to google or comcast mail

tracert www.google.com
or
tracert mail.comcast.net

 

by: asweetwoodPosted on 2009-02-06 at 11:58:56ID: 23573602

GoDaddy uses smtpout.secureserver.net as the smtp server for all email clients.  So your command line would be:  tracrt smtpout.secureserver.net

you can also use ping smtpout.secureserver.net -t to run an infinate ping test to help detect packet loss.

On a side note, GoDaddy accoutns commonly require smtp authentication prior to sending emails.  There is a common exceoption in email servers that bypasses the requirement when email has just been retrieved, which may explain the interrmittance of your problem.  either way, I would check the smtp auth settings in your email client.

 

by: asweetwoodPosted on 2009-02-06 at 12:00:16ID: 23573614

also, you'll need to access the command line using Berge's instructions, and I meant to type tracert, not tracrt.  Good luck

 

by: EderwainerPosted on 2009-02-07 at 02:23:36ID: 23577418

Hi all,

tracert smtpout.secureserver.net wont even get me out o my own home network.
I can get only up to the modem I use to connect to the web. (192.168.254.254)

Seems like the modem will block any kind of tracert attempt.
Is there some kind of configuration that will allow me to get through the modem?
Its a speedstreem 5.200 from Siemens.

Now, regarding authenticating the sender, yes, all account are configured so that authentication is applied.

And this issue began about ten days ago, up to then, everything and all accounts were fine.
I opened a ticket at my ISP so they could verify whether there is a block on my network.
But if I only could trace all the way up, I might be able to get to the point where its failing.

Running telnet "smtpout.secureserver.net 25" will take me a few nods up my ISP's rooters and servers, but then it will stop.  I dont believe that is a precise way of doing it as my email client is able to reach the server most of the time, even when I only get a couple nods up my ISPs network.

So I wonder If theres some command that will get pass the modem and keep going up the network till it really finds a failing point.

I appreciate everybody's help!

Eder

 

by: younghvPosted on 2009-04-11 at 06:15:05ID: 24121944

You are getting past your modem.
If you can get to your ISP and something on their end is timing out, you need to raise the priority with them.
If you can actually talk to a human with your ISP (good luck on that one), keep them on the line until you can talk with someone who actually understands the problem.
Most level one "Help" types are at a pretty basic level, so you will probably need to move up a notch or two to get any real assistance.

 

by: EderwainerPosted on 2009-04-11 at 08:31:07ID: 24122366

You are right.

I have gotten them to send a "technician" over to my office, but he dismissed the problem by running a tracert to the IP address of my email server. As I was not present at the time, my employee was convinced that no problem was present.

But running a tracert to the ip address will get through, however if you run a tracert to the smpt, specifying a port at the end, most of the time the connection will time out at one of the rooters/servers belonging to my ISP.

Can you tell me if the procedure below would show me exactly where the smtp request is being interrupted, showing where the problem is?

These are the three ports I have available from my email server.

tracert smtpout.secureserver.net 25
tracert smtpout.secureserver.net 3535
tracert smtpout.secureserver.net 80

If I log to a dedicated server I have at godaddy also, the tracert will get all the way through to the email server. But connecting from a local machine at my office, it has a hard time to get through all the routers and arrive at the server, so email can be sent.

Thanks again for all the help.

Eder

 

by: ET0000Posted on 2009-04-11 at 08:57:06ID: 24122473

You may want to take half a step back and look at what details are available from the email failures. If the email software on the workstations is getting failures, see whether you can turn on some additional logging and see what the specific error is - server not responding at all, connection interrupted, authentication failure, etc.

pings and tracert and other network tests are low priority requests, and can be ignored by servers and intermediate stops in favor of "real" requests, and you can get stuck on false problems when tracking errors in those commands. Focus on the specific errors, and also see whether the intermittent-ness is really somewhat random, or maybe corresponds to times of day, or particular workstations, or something else that might help you find and solve the problem.

 

by: wyliecoyoteukPosted on 2009-04-11 at 09:12:30ID: 24122528

Most likely is a DNS error.
The clients are not resolving the DN of the SMTP server.
Check your DNS server settings.

 

by: vutheanhPosted on 2009-04-11 at 09:19:11ID: 24122550

Hi Eder,

I'm Administrator of email server, so I think I can understand your situation. Cause your client have trouble when sending email and your server still running well. So you should tell your client for testing

DNS server of their ISP.
you can create some bat like dnstest.bat with inside content:

nslookup mail.yourmailserver.com > c:\dnstest.log

and then tell your client send dnstest.log file at drive C:

If content of dnstest.log look similar like under 4 line  then we have no problem with dns,

Server:  dns3.hcm.fpt.vn
Address:  210.245.31.20

Name:    gmail.com
Addresses:  74.125.79.83, 64.233.161.83, 209.85.171.83

If they look different and inform can not find out ip then problem is dns server of ISP.
In that case, you have 2 solution for fix that:

1. request them to change address of smtp mail server from domain name to ip
2. create host file
mail.yourdomain.com 123.456.789 (replace 123.456.789 with your real ip)

and save host file (if their using windows XP )
C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc

Hope that help, I already fix similar problem with a dozen of my client.
The Anh




 

by: The--CaptainPosted on 2009-04-13 at 15:13:51ID: 24133340

To tun this test, traceroute may be ineffective (as you have demonstrated).  You need tracetcp, which you can grab here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=88080&filename=tracetcp-0.99.4beta.zip&a=85568476

or just google for it.

You'll also need libpcap, which you can find here:

http://www.winpcap.org/install/bin/WinPcap_4_0_2.exe

tcptrace is similar to traceroute, but uses tcp SYN packets rather than ICMP or UDP, and just as important, it allows you to specifiy the oubound port, so you can trace on port 25 and watch to see if anything is breaking down along the way.

Cheers,
-Jon

 

by: EderwainerPosted on 2009-05-13 at 11:12:17ID: 31543803

Very accurate help.

However, by identifying where the bottleneck is still leaves me with another challenge, which is to get the ISPs to review their policy regarding traffic outside of their pool.

So I solved the problem by finding out the smtp address of all local ISPs and configuring email account of the clientes to use them, instead of godaddy's smtp.

The solutions provided were indeed very helpfull and I appreciate all the help I got.

Thanks!

Eder Wainer

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