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WEP vs MAC control

Asked by: robjohnston

Hi Folks.

I'm having trouble configuring a Netgear MA311 to use WEP, it won't connect properly while using WEP.

It is a bit of a hurry to get some sort of wireless network up and running so I have configured my router to only accept connections from certian MAC addresses.

When I have missed of one of my nic's MAC address it can't get connected so hopefully no one can browse the network without thier MAC address being entered on the router.

So how secure is that? Can people see my data but not log on to the network.

Thanks, Rob.

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by: drivenmadPosted on 2003-04-20 at 15:41:15ID: 8363901

rob,
 I have found that useing MAC filtering is accually a better route to go. Both options are not full proof, but with MAC filtering you dont take the bandwidth hit of WEP enabled access points. Both WEP and MAC filtering can be bypassed via either a WEP crack util or a user changing his MAC address to one of yours. The MAC filter option is the way to go in my opinion. People can not even connect to the WAP at all. THe first thing the WAP does is look at your setting for allowed MAC addresses, if its not there they dont even connect to the WAP. In essence you are restricting access at the hardware level. That is alway better than software.

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Alan Frost
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by: fusionmediaPosted on 2003-04-20 at 17:34:27ID: 8364242

Hey Rob, I have to disagree with Alan. Though it is true that both methods lock unknown users out of the network (they can not view your data), WEP is more difficult to break through. It also gives your the option to be more secure (if need be) by changing your Encryption key. Here's a break down of both methods.

MAC address filtering:
With this method, computers have to have an authorized MAC address in order to connect to the network. This is great (like Alan said) because it limits the network my a hardware identification key. However it can be pretty easily hacked by someone how knows how to spoof a valid MAC address.

WEP:
WEP actually encrypts all the data that's flying through the air with a 128 bit encryption algorithm. This means that if someone wants to get on the network, they have to get the Encryption key. There is a WEP encryption key software program out there (AirSnort) but it's only written for Linux. This puts your network out of risk for most non-serious hackers. Not only would someone have to have a linux computer running AirSnort, but they'd have to be determined enough to sit there for the 6 to 8 hours it takes AirSnort to gather enough info and crack the WEP key.

Here are a couple questions to ask yourself if you want to determine how secure your network really is.

1. What's your environment? If you're a stand alone building with a good distance from other offices, there's less chance that someone is going to discover your network at all.

2. How vital is your data? If someone got on your network and started deleting stuff, would it be the end of your world?

3. How secure is your internal network? If you're on a peer to peer network with no network server then you'd be at a hackers mercy if he were on the inside of your network. However, if you have an server that is protecting your important data on your network, you're at less risk of loosing everything.

When I setup a wireless network for a client, I use WEP, MAC address filtering, and turn off beakening. If you need help setting up the WEP, let me know and I'd be glad to help you out. andrew@fmedia.homeip.net

- Andrew

 

by: koquitoPosted on 2003-04-20 at 17:47:33ID: 8364267

HI folks..
Both MAC and WEP are not bullet proof, and both provide different ways of secure your network ön the air" packets.
The higher the bits you use to encrypt the packets, the lower the performance of the communication, but you can make it more secure also.
Both methods can be hacked with the proper tools, and the time need for it. IF you are going to stay with WEP and MAC filtering. MAke sure to change the keys regurarly , make them as long as possible, using the higher ammount of bits possible.
Decrease the antenna power of transmission, so there will only be reception within a certain range.
I'm personally using 128 bits of encryption, and don't see a significant decrease on performance.
Also, the latest security on wireless is 802.1x, if your router has that feature, make use of it.
If on windows 2000 domain, use policies for wireless computers/users.

 

by: wyliecoyoteukPosted on 2003-04-21 at 02:22:08ID: 8365498

The best way to increase security on Wireless is to put the access point on the other side of the firewall, and allow users to tunnel through it using VPN.
WEP is (to quote Mandrake 9.1 network setup, "easily broken using freely available tools")

the links below are interesting:
http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/isaac/wep-faq.html
http://www.arstechnica.com/paedia/w/wireless/security-3.html

 

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