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Setup Home Network

Asked by: anaron

Here goes! I have viewed just about all the posts on home networking and must admit that I am a little confused. My main desktop is a Dell Dimension 8250, 3.06 GHz. Wdsl antenna to Linksys WET11 wireless ethernet bridge to ethernet plug on desktop. My second computer is an HP Pavilion 511W 1.2 GHz. I need to network the computers which are on opposite sides of the house. I know nothing about networking except what I have read the last few days. On the following questions, do not use cost as a factor. I want to start with the best and then I will work down to what I can afford.

Question 1. What is the fastest, most dependable type of network setup for sharing wdsl, printer, scanner etc.?

Question 2. What is the best way to setup the system in Q#1.




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by: stevenlewisPosted on 2004-01-03 at 17:51:31ID: 10035875

>>What is the fastest, most dependable type of network setup for sharing wdsl, printer, scanner etc.?

a gigabit wired network is the fastes, most reliable (if you use cat6 cables)
next would be 100mbit wired (also known as fast ethernet)
next would be a wireless 11g network
then 10mbit ehternet wired

 

by: ThrasymachusPosted on 2004-01-03 at 18:33:41ID: 10035962

Are you looking for actuall brands and models of hardware you should purchase? it sounds like you already have a birdge and a wierless network. do you want new hardware or just want to know how to get the computers talking to each other now that the network hardware is in place?

 

by: anaronPosted on 2004-01-03 at 19:03:16ID: 10036029

Trasymachus, The 2 computers are separate. The bridge and wireless you refer to is the wireless dsl coming into my Dell. I am inquiring as to the best system possible for a networking of the 2 computers.

 

by: ThrasymachusPosted on 2004-01-03 at 19:26:40ID: 10036075

well in that case I agree with Stevenlewis. However wired gigabit would be overkill. Also there is wireless 100mb networking, but it is NOT cheap.
The up side to wireless is obvioulsy you do not need to re-wire you house (assuming you don't have cat-5/cat-6 cables running through your walls already.
If money were no object I would pick up a 100mb wireless hub and two 100mb wireless NICs. you should be in business. Just make sure that the specks on the hardware allow everying to reach - generally the higher the frequency the farther you can go from the hub.

Good Luck!

 

by: stevenlewisPosted on 2004-01-03 at 19:30:21ID: 10036081

Thrasymachus could you post some references to 100mbit wireless? I would like to read up on that
the best I have heard about is 54mbit (11g)
Thanks
Steve

 

by: ThrasymachusPosted on 2004-01-03 at 19:55:41ID: 10036112

I don't have alot of info on them (I guess they are actually 108mb) but here is one by netgear: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=558553
Like I said, Not Cheap. and it is a very new Technology.

 

by: stevenlewisPosted on 2004-01-03 at 19:59:27ID: 10036119

Thanks, I love learning about new things! That's why I keep comming here *grin*

 

by: stevenlewisPosted on 2004-01-03 at 20:11:40ID: 10036145

AAh, but I read down further on that page and found
 Static 108Mbps 802.11g available now. Dynamic version available via future firmware update. In order to achieve 108Mbps, requires client adapter that supports the same mode. NETGEAR's WAG311 PCI Card, WAG511 PC Card and WG511T PC Card all support 108Mbps 802.11g
and then further down
Data Transfer Rate 54 Mbps
Hmmm, I wonder which it is

 

by: ThrasymachusPosted on 2004-01-03 at 21:57:21ID: 10036352

I am certinly no expert in wireless, but is seems to me they are using the standard 54Mbps connectios and doubbling it, maybe by using two concurrent connections.
Just a thought.

 

by: anaronPosted on 2004-01-04 at 05:41:53ID: 10037036

Looked at the Netgear Prosafe 802.11g wireless access point and the 108 mbps wireless firewall router. As I said, my knowledge is rather limited in this area. Why one and not the other?

 

by: chicagoanPosted on 2004-01-04 at 09:03:37ID: 10037529

Here's an explanation of 802.11g 'turbo' mode (and some test results).
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,453262,00.asp
Even the best, most stable wireless connection doesn't hold a candle to fast ethernet, much less GIGe.
It depends on what you're doing, though. If you're just sharing an internet connection, the choke point is going to be your ISP connection - and wireless will be fine.. If you want to digitize your video collection and move those files across the lan, better have a low metabolism. With GIGe adapters under $50 now, and FastEthernet nearly free, if you're considering backup or other high bandwidth applications - get copper. WIreless is ok for casual use, even streaming audio, but it's not immume to interference, costs more per Mbit of bandwidth and isn't quite so secure.

 

by: stevenlewisPosted on 2004-01-04 at 09:15:24ID: 10037572

Thanks chicagoan!

 

by: Stevejones123Posted on 2004-01-04 at 12:33:02ID: 10038379

Copper gigabit is the way to go if you can pass wires with no problem.

Fiber would be even better but the price of mediia adapters would be prohibitive.

 

by: ThrasymachusPosted on 2004-01-04 at 16:52:41ID: 10039301

chicagoan - thanks for the link! lots of good stuff in there

anaron - quickly without doing any research it sounds line one has a built in FireWall - and is probably more expencive - the other is simply an access point. like a normal Hub or Switch. Which is what you would need inside your house for a network. If you did want at FireWall you would place it between your network and the Internet.

 

by: wamomanPosted on 2004-01-26 at 11:27:35ID: 10203198

Hi,
I am using a dLAN from Devolo to run my LAN through the house electric cables.
It gives me about a 14 Mbit LAN and converts any wall socket in my house to a network socket.
I have also impemented these boxes in one of our offices on a LAN with 5 PCs a Printer and a DSL router.
http://www.devolo.com

 

by: small_studentPosted on 2004-01-28 at 22:56:54ID: 10225273

Hi

I would like to say that still with wireless technology having 100Mbs, gigabyte ethernet is much more faster, reliable, secure, and much more cheaper than wireless although cost was not an aspect in this question.
You can connect between the two computers directly via cable and set the printer on one computer to be shared, or u can connect through a switch better than a hub to avoid frame collision and to act as a repeater for the signal if distance is far between the computers and it is not recomended to connect cable for more than 150m without a repeator if you dont want your speed to drop to lower bandwidth rate (100Mbs or 10Mbs).

Also i would like to note that as far as i know the scanner cant be shared through the network and if there is a way to do that please let me know.

Thanks.

 

by: WvicPosted on 2004-02-16 at 21:06:27ID: 10379116

I have 3 computers 2 of them are running on Linux SuSE 9.0 Platform 3rd one is on XP platform.
I have five Static IP's. I have Two  Registred Domain Names.
In the past I used NS1.granitecanyon.com & NS2.garanitecanyon.com for IP forwording.
I like to ELIMINATE  NS1.granitecanyon.com & NS2.garanitecanyon.com  and set up my own Linux server at home Forwording  my domains.
I need some help in setting up my server on Linux Platform.
HELP

 

by: chicagoanPosted on 2004-02-16 at 22:30:39ID: 10379526

Wvic > you'll need to open your own question for that issue.

 

by: MCBlairPosted on 2004-03-03 at 10:18:31ID: 10506909

Small_Student...the only way to network a scanner is to have a seperate FTP server.  We have some of these where I work and found that it was more trouble than it was worth.  Your better off just setting up the scanner on one of your local machines and sharing it out from there.

 

by: small_studentPosted on 2004-03-03 at 23:24:48ID: 10511853

Thanks a lot for the new information MCBlair

 

by: anoocsPosted on 2004-03-10 at 10:01:06ID: 10563178

i want to know the visual c++ code for creating several nodes in single pc

 

by: stevelsPosted on 2004-03-11 at 09:04:07ID: 10573142

I've been running wireless since 2000 when Apple's Airport first came out (I now have a mixed PC/Mac wireless LAN, with some wired connections where the machines are close enough).  

I'd like to reiterate Chicagoan's point that, for a home user, your wireless speed probably isn't that important unless you spend a lot of time copying big files between your different computers.  If your main reason for networking your computers is to share your Internet connection, you are probably only getting 1.5 MBit or so from your DSL or Cable, which is 10 times slower than an 802.11b 10 Mbps connection.  So, the extra speed of an 802.11g or (heaven forbid) Gigabit Ethernet is completely wasted.

A few other things to think about:
  - with a wired connection, you're either running cables across the house (don't trip) or thru the walls or vents
  - a wireless connection is affected by RF interference, such as cordless phones and microwaves
  - 802.11b has greater range than 802.11g (or so I've been told).  Remember, you probably won't be using the extra bandwidth 802.11g offers anyway, since your uplink is the bottleneck
  - hardware is only part of the issue with setting up a home network.  Treat yourself to a crash course in i.p. networking, and especially NAT
  - do yourself a favor and turn off the DHCP in your access point.  Wireless signals have a decent range, and a public wireless lan with a DHCP server is very easy to take a free ride on.



 

by: ThreeFingeredSalutePosted on 2004-08-10 at 05:55:36ID: 11762073

My small office has purchased a multi-function color printer/scanner/fax (Brother MFC-3820CB  ~$200 USD) and it is all network shared.  I can tell the scanner which machine to send the image to, etc. (although you do have to run a small applet on each potential target machine as a "listener").  A MFP isn't an ideal solution for all users, and I'm not usually a proponent of having all my eggs in one basket in case something breaks, but I guess I wanted to suggest that there are affordable "out of the box" network-ready scanning options out there.

One additional note: Not to be nitpicky, but in previous posts, the conversation appears to discuss the options between 802.11b or 802.11g.  The real difference is between 802.11b (11Mbps) and 802.11a (54Mbps) as they are the incompatible standards.  802.11g has the ability to communicate at the higher speed using 802.11a's OFDM modulation scheme, and fall back to 802.11b compatibility.  In other words, you can have a COMPATIBLE mixed 802.11g and 802.11b environment to maximize speeds where you need it, and costs where you don't.  Just don't plan on having a LAN-party on the same night you intend to serve microwaved burritos while on the cordless phone!  <g>

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