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Is it possible to get 2 Microsoft( or any) wireless 4 port routers to work off of one internet connection, have two separate SSID's and not have network chaos?

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Answers

 

by: scraig84Posted on 2004-05-27 at 07:15:36ID: 11171807

Sure.

 

by: pcmagic2004Posted on 2004-05-27 at 07:18:13ID: 11171849

LOL.. can you make a diagram of how it would be set up and what Ip's to assign what router?

 

by: scraig84Posted on 2004-05-27 at 07:43:43ID: 11172153

Maybe we could start with telling us what exactly your situation is and what you are attempting to accomplish?  That would be a big help.

 

by: arodriguesPosted on 2004-05-27 at 07:54:11ID: 11172266

I'm not sure of what you pretend, have you tried work with bridge's 3 or more Wireless network cards ?,  you have to concentrate all the trafic in one computer that acts as a gateway to your network. One network card for each router, bridge and so one, tried the link below.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/columns/crawford/02april22.asp

Regards
António Rodrigues

 

by: vrobisonPosted on 2004-05-27 at 09:34:54ID: 11173331

If you are using one internet connection, with one IP address (I assume DSL or cable), you will need to designate one of the wireless routers as the "gateway" to the internet.  The other router would be connected in to one of the four ports on the "gateway" router and would only supply IP connectivity; the "gateway" router would provide DHCP and NAT for the rest of the network.  Of course you would need to disable DHCP and NAT on the second wireless router.  The remaining ports on either of the 2 wileless routers could be used for local LAN connections.

<dsl>----- WAN Port --< MS Wireless "Gateway" (dhcp, PPPoE, NAT)>
                                      four LAN ports    
                                        |    |    |    |           < 2ND MS Wirless Gateway>
                                        |    |    |    |                    |   |   |   |
                                                         +---------------+    
                                        0    1    2    3                   0   1   2  3    ...........

You could add as many gateways as you want by connecting them through the LAN ports.
Don't forget, you must use a cross-over cable to connect the two gateway's together, as I don't think the MS gateways have an "Uplink" switch !!!!

 

by: arodriguesPosted on 2004-05-27 at 10:13:03ID: 11173614

You are going to treat the second router like a hub ?

 

by: pcmagic2004Posted on 2004-05-27 at 10:46:55ID: 11173935

this might help.  This is what I have setup and no ne has been able to explain how to get it to work:

                                                                Cable
                                                       |
                                           MN-500 Microsoft 4 port /wireless b(192.168.1.1) Assigning DH                         CP
                                                                             (SSID-Home) WEP enabled
                                          |                    |
                              4 wired PC's                 Microsoft Broadband router(802.11b) setup as bridge(192.168.1.10)
                                                                                 (below  the scope of DHCP)
                                                                             NO DHCP Wep Enabled
                                                                      (SSID-NEWYORK)
 
                                                                   |                |                                    

                                                     2 wireless PC's        Sipura 3000(broadband phone)

I Know I can buy an access point in place of the second router and everyting would work okay but I want to make this setup work.  When I had this setup whenever I was wireless or wired under the NEWYORK router, the network would freeze up and everyone wouls lose internet

 

by: sciwriterPosted on 2004-05-27 at 11:02:08ID: 11174057

I think the answer to this, speaking philosophically, is simple --

Can you do it -- absolutely yes.

Will it create network chaos -- absolutely yes.

 

by: pcmagic2004Posted on 2004-05-27 at 11:06:06ID: 11174083

so then without buying all new hardware, how can I achieve my goal of being able to get a secure wireless conection downstairs( the HOME router is upstairs).

Would it be easier to make 2 separate networks and have 2 total separate entities?

 

by: khilangPosted on 2004-05-27 at 12:33:22ID: 11174844

Hi,
Have you tried statically assigning IP addresses? What you would need to do is give each PC a unique ip address, i.e. 192.168.1.2, 192.168.1.3 etc.. in the TCP/IP properties of the network connection and make sure that for ALL computers the gateway is set to the IP address of the first router (i.e. SSID Home) and that the DNS server is also set to the IP address of the "Home" router.

Also, once you have done this, turn off DHCP on the router (home).

Khilan

 

by: khilangPosted on 2004-05-27 at 12:34:19ID: 11174854

BTW might be a good idea to try it with just one computer first

 

by: pcmagic2004Posted on 2004-05-27 at 12:51:13ID: 11175023

okay this is what I have setup which is working so far

                                                Cable
                                                       |
                                           MN-500 Microsoft 4 port /wireless b(192.168.1.1) Assigning DH                         CP
                                                                             (SSID-Home) WEP enabled
                                          |                    |                                 |
                              3 wired PC's           (broadband phone)     4 port switch
                                                                                                  |
                                                       Microsoft Broadband router(802.11b) (192.168.1.60) Underthe scope of HOME
                                       With a DMZ host to that address to bypass the firewall(i have a firewall on this router)
                                                                    SSID-MSHOME(WEP encrypted)
                                                          Assigning DHCP
                                                     With Ports open for remote desktop and Pc anywhere
                                                                 |                |                                    

                                                     1 wireless PC's        Desktop (static ip) 192.168.2.50

 

by: arodriguesPosted on 2004-05-27 at 13:40:50ID: 11175437

it's seems thar your are saying is identically what the link try to explain:

 couple of months ago, we needed to add several computers downstairs to our main network, a domain running Windows 2000 servers that is discretely hidden away on the top floor of our house.

 

by: MarkDozierPosted on 2004-05-27 at 17:00:48ID: 11176558

It is not required to turn off DHCP. Just excluded the static IP from the scope of DHCP. This way if you thorw a host like a laptop on for a short time you don't have to remember the configuration of your static IP.
That is my 2 bits on that ideal.

 

by: sciwriterPosted on 2004-05-27 at 19:56:48ID: 11177130

If its just upstairs and downstairs, why won't a single wirless access point work?  This is what they are designed for.  Surely you can pick up the WAP upstairs from downstairs.  If not, there's something wrong with the WAP propagation strength.

 

by: arodriguesPosted on 2004-05-28 at 01:46:10ID: 11178324

when pcagic2004 say that he have two ssid, why he need separate ssid, because downstairs don´t talk with upstairs ? but won´t internet ? one old computer with proxy to delivery Internet, and one ssid and a firewall to contain traffic, with firewall activated, the computers act as single, i don´t see where is the problem, anyway with a firewall and the 2 routers both static address he can do a securely network, the gateway to Internet is the static address that is connect to the wan port 192.168.1.1.

Or meantime have you read the article ?

 

by: arodriguesPosted on 2004-05-28 at 02:22:29ID: 11178521

Since 2000 i haven´t answer to any question, but surprise, here is one of them

One thing you have to do ...

First See examples

http://www.wlana.com/resource/index.html

Second see products  ...

http://www.wlana.com/about/index.html

But meanwhile here a brief history

Most wireless LAN products have the ability, as an authentication management function, to specifically authorize or exclude individual wireless stations. Thus an individual wireless user can be included in a network, or, at any time, locked out. Users may also need to know a wide variety of information, including radio domains, channels (specific frequencies or hopping patterns), subchannels, security IDs, and passwords. Other configuration information relating to in-building roaming might also need to be known. Thus network administrators can make unauthorized network access very, very difficult even for hackers who possess the specific wireless equipment being used at a given site.

More than 15 years of experience and at least, 4 years talking about wireless networks. backing  again to business ... :))))))

 

by: pcmagic2004Posted on 2004-05-30 at 08:41:38ID: 11191245

To everyone, I was away this weekend and am reviewing all new posts.......
 arodrigues,
  Why did you put TWO links on this posts that send you to ad and spyware sites, not to mention browser hijackers...

 

by: pcmagic2004Posted on 2004-05-30 at 08:45:06ID: 11191267

Sci,
  The router is upstairs on thge other side of the house and even though I know they were designed for that distance, it doesn't work because I barely get  a signal.  Thats why I needed  another router.  


To all,

  To make this all simple, I will be getting a  Wireless Access point because  none of the above configs are actually working. So all in all I think Sci was right.... It can be done, but not without problems...question answered

 

by: sciwriterPosted on 2004-05-30 at 14:04:18ID: 11192526

Glad I could help you move forward without too much frustration.  Time = = money, eventually.

Cheers

Sci

 

by: arodriguesPosted on 2004-05-31 at 02:21:24ID: 11195093

Yes it´s true, for me it´s a surprise, this link's i have used in one answer asked in expert-exchange. what they say about the link

For Arodrigues:
Thank you for your reference, I believe it will be very useful.

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/WinNT_Networking/Q_11057963.html, and at the
time the link exist, i t's from wirelless Association now in

www.wlana.org/

replaces the link's above

My apologizes,
ARodrigues



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