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Designing for two WAN (non Internet) links.

Asked by: fahim

Hi Guys,

I have tried to make the attached diagram as simple as I could. The scenario is:

Till recently we had only one ISP1 giving us intrasite MPLS VPN connectivity. We ran into major support issues with them and have hence decided to bring in a second ISP2 providing us alternative MPLS VPN links to three of our Site offices spread across two continents. We are sitting in say: Site 1.

At all the three sites, the MPLS links terminate on ISP administered routers (1800 ciscos).

Till now, it was simple, the ethernet interface used to come in and terminate on our L3 core swiitches but the problem starts now when second ISP2 will terminate his connections.

Is there a way I can utilise both the links in a load balancing manner rather than keeping one link purely in the passive way?

Which all routing routers will I have to bring into picture? Can GLBP be of help here? I need to minimise my dependence on this I have to involve ISP1 for they take months to even ad a summarised route onto their network when we raise a request to them.

ISP2 will hopefully be more proactive and they are even willing to administer the 'ISP2 Router1'  which will eventually sit in our premises.

Pls advise

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2009-03-22 at 11:28:40ID24253745
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Dual WAN links

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Answers

 

by: cstosgalePosted on 2009-03-22 at 15:47:45ID: 23953736

Very simply, at each site, get your core switches to have equal cost routes to each ISPs edge router for your other . you can even do this with static routes, although this won't detect a failure on one of your MPLS links. If you are doing dynamic routing with your MPLS service providers, just manipulate the routing in such a way that you have equal cost routes in your core switches routing tables. They will then automatically load balance between the routes.

 

by: fahimPosted on 2009-03-23 at 01:57:28ID: 23955652

Thanks for the reply. what happens in the first scenario if a failure occurs on one of the links and my internal core switch keeps forwarding the traffic over the link that no longers exists?

 

by: mikebernhardtPosted on 2009-03-24 at 15:14:51ID: 23974003

If you are doing dynamic routing between the ISP routers and your 3750s, and also dynamic routing for MPLS routes between the ISP routers and your remote sites, then if an MPLS route is lost this will propagate to your 3750s. They will know what is up and what isn't and route accordingly.

 

by: QuoriPosted on 2009-03-24 at 20:44:36ID: 23975896

Just a correction here - it won't "automatically" perform equal cost load balancing using a dynamic routing protocol, depending on which one you use. For instance BGP requires additional configuration, as do a couple other IGP's and it is unlikely you'll be using an IGP between CE and PE.

 

by: mikebernhardtPosted on 2009-03-25 at 10:55:14ID: 23982568

BGP between the CE and PE will NOT load balance and doesn't need to. When I said MPLS routes, I misspoke. What I actually meant was to run an IGP like EIGRP or OSPF over the VPNs between the CE routers at remote sites and the central site, not directly with the ISP.

 

by: CRISILPosted on 2009-04-01 at 01:31:38ID: 24036946

You can terminate both the ISP routers on your L3 switch 1 and 2 ( refer the attached diagram, you can even use an unmanaged switch for splitting), and do dynamic routing with your ISP routers. IGP like EIGRP or OSPF are easiest to implement equal cost path load balancing.
You will need to do this at all 3 sites. Using a dynamic protocol will enable you to learn if any of the ISP is down.
ISPs generally run BGP within their network but you are fine if you convience them to run EIGRP between your switch and the ISP router. They can redistribute the routes on their router and your L3 switches will knw when the link is down.

Since you are running HSRP between switch 1 and 2, one of them would be active and the other would be passive. If you will not split the link between the ISP router and the L3 switches then you would unnecessarily send traffic over the trunk link between the two switches. It will also take care of the scenario when your primary L3 switch is completely down.

 

by: fahimPosted on 2009-04-05 at 01:03:58ID: 24070561

CRISIL: you wrote  " Because of HSRP...If you will not split the link between the ISP router and the L3 switches then you would unnecessarily send traffic over..."

What do you mean by 'splitting the link"? Pls elaborate.

 

by: MrMintanetPosted on 2009-04-05 at 01:11:24ID: 24070577

VPN

 

by: fahimPosted on 2009-04-05 at 03:46:28ID: 24070996

Minta,,was that an answer to my question to CRISIL or you got disconnected while typing? VPN for sure is not synonymous to 'splitting the link' in my internal network!!@@

 

by: fahimPosted on 2009-04-05 at 04:57:58ID: 24071194

Alternative to the complex cisco configurations and reduce my dependency on ISP1 and 2 for enabling BGP etc., is there a third party alternative who would give the required functionality of 'Links Redundancy', auto failover and certain level of 'load sharing' ot of the box?

If there was a way to increase the points I would have :(

 

by: cstosgalePosted on 2009-04-05 at 09:26:16ID: 24071945

If you want to keep things simple and load balance, then we are back to using equal cost static routes on your core switches. This will load balanace and send half the traffic out of ISP1 and half out of ISP2.

If you want automatic failover, then the best way to do this is using BGP.

what you are trying to do is by its nature complex, and there isn't really a simpler way of doing this.

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