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Metro Ethernet & QinQ/Tunneling

Asked by: N_W_O

Hello,

I have several Metro Ethernet circuits currently and would like some clarification on capabilities and options.  I have supportive knowledge of Cisco routing and switching but nothing great so please excuse me.

I have co-lo service at my service provider's data center with 13 ME's from AT&T aggregated to the co-lo where my router connecting to my internet access.  My current network configuration is a Router-on-a-Stick with several sub interfaces on the router and relative VLANs assigned to ports on switches at the remote locations.  I run a few different services from NAT & DHCP to internet access depending on the need of the sub-interface/VLAN.

It is my understanding (informed by my services provider) that I need a feature called "QinQ" to allow the passing of my own VLANs through the ME's.  While currently the configuration works I am wondering if the need of this feature is something forced upon me by the limitations of Metro Ethernet, my service provider or something else I don't know about.  Keep in mind that this QinQ service is a billable service to me each month per location which also requires a higher end switch on their part, another billable service.  Do I really need QinQ to pass my own VLANs over a ME or is this something they specifically designed not to work so they could charge more?  Could I deploy my own QinQ over the ME so I no longer need to pay for this service?

I am currently looking into deploying a router at each location to remove the need of this QinQ service along with reducing router load.

I will start to give more detail once readers show interest in this question. I am open to any reasonable solution with the current equipment I have considering my current knowledge of detailed Cisco design concepts.  I will post a network diagram with my idea shortly but for now I am running all Cisco 3550-EMI switches and a Cisco 2821 router.  I have several 3640 routers that are marked for each location unless this question does another direction.

Thank you in advance

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2009-08-06 at 21:16:44ID24633793
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802.1Q Tunneling

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Answers

 

by: donjohnstonPosted on 2009-08-07 at 05:17:03ID: 25041858

Q-in-Q tunneling is typically done by the provider. Usually, the client has no knowledge of it.

Here's the deal: You're a provider that offer Metro Ethernet through your switched network. You are going to separate your different customers data by putting each customer in a different VLAN. There's two ways that your can do this. The first is to put each customer facing port in their specific VLAN. But that will prevent them from establishing trunks between their sites.

That's where q-in-q tunneling comes in. If the customer decides that they need trunks between their sites, they can create a trunk. When you (the provider) receive the tagged frame, you ignore the existing tag and ADD another. You move that frame through your network (your switches look at the last tag added... which is the tag that you added) until it gets to the edge. Then your edge switch REMOVES your tag so that what is left is the tag the customer inserted.

The customer has no knowledge that q-in-q tunneling is being done.

 

by: N_W_OPosted on 2009-08-07 at 05:30:58ID: 25041957

That confirms what I was thinking.  So "by default" my service provider for whatever reason it may be chooses to no to design/deploy a switching network that supports Q-in-Q out of the box for it's customers (me), I have to request it and then pay for it.  

Typically they install a Cisco 2900XL-EN for the ME hand-off, when I expressed my network needs about 8 months ago they informed me I would need this Q-in-Q, gave me Cisco 3550 switches instead and tacked on some more charges.

This sort of behavior/approach normal for a provider?  


The other part of the question:  Q-in-Q would not be needed if I deploy routing at each of my locations instead of relying on switching?

Thanks

 

by: donjohnstonPosted on 2009-08-07 at 05:38:53ID: 25042003


Yeah, it reminds me when I had to pay extra for touch-tone telephone service even though the CO had converted to digital.

>This sort of behavior/approach normal for a provider?

It's not unheard of. :-(

>Q-in-Q would not be needed if I deploy routing at each of my locations instead of relying on switching?

Correct. The only time q-in-q is required is when YOU want to use 802.1q through their network.

 

by: N_W_OPosted on 2009-08-07 at 06:22:04ID: 31612760

I will move the second more design question so I can be more details and close this one.

Thanks for the info.

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