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File Migration from Netware 6.5 to Windows 2003/2008

Asked by: andoss

We are in the planning stages of migrating our fileserver from Netware 6.5 to Windows Server 2003 or 2008 and i could use some advice on migration tools/methods.

Our Environment - We use Netware purely as our fileserver, already have an Active Directory domain functioning and want to avoid making significant changes to this.
I would like to migrate file/folder permissions if possible but everything i've read discusses migrating the users etc at the same time and these users already exist in AD and are centrally managed by TIM so i don't want to do this.

So my question is are there any software that i can use to migrate these files and maintain permissions considering the users already exist in AD with identical usernames? I've read up on MSDSS and Quest NDS Migrator but both of these start with migrating the Tree structure which as i said i don't want to do for fear of altering our already stable AD Domain.

In the case that I need to do a manual migration scrapping all file permissions I'm really not sure where to even begin? Do I just create a file share on our data disk and copy the folders in applying department permissions, quotas etc manually as i go?
Also recommendations on whether to go with Windows Server 2003 or 2008.

I'm fairly technical just have no knowledge of this and have had it lumped on me.


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by: ZENandEmailguyPosted on 2009-03-23 at 22:10:37ID: 23964908

Since AD is already in place, I'd avoid the expensive throw-away utilities.  If you can handle re-doing the directory/file access trustee assignments...known as share and NTFS file permissions in Windows, I'd use either RoboCopy, XXCOPY (not xcopy32) (see www.xxcopy.com) or BeyondCompare to get the data off of the NetWare server and onto the Windows 200x server.  

Then where you have shared directories on NetWare with multiple people access them, create shares on Windows and assign Share Permissions and follow up with file access permissions (NTFS file permissions).  For user home directories, if they are being moved over and assuming that there aren't that many, create individual shares and file permissions for each (others may chime in as to how to get that done easily and perhaps automatically).

Re: quotas and department shares, see above.  You'll do than for each person or each directory structure or both, just like with NetWare and its file system.

Since you can't really buy Server '03 anymore, go with Server '08...it is quite a bit better than '03 from a variety of perspectives.

Hoep that helps.

 

by: andossPosted on 2009-03-24 at 21:04:24ID: 23975965

Thanks for the advice, could you please briefly describe the advantages of Robocopy & XXCopy over normal windows copyying for my situation?
I read some info about XXCopy and can see afew things like flattening directory structures that could be handy but not necessary, do they just allow more start and forget type copying compared to windows copying?

There is about 350 home directories i would need to reapply permissions to so it's going to be time consuming if i need to do it manually, other file permissions can be reinstated by the sysadmin team after the handover.

 

by: ZENandEmailguyPosted on 2009-03-25 at 08:03:35ID: 23980247

I can't count the number of times a "normal windows copy" has crapped out on an open file or a read-only file or something else fickle.  Using a command line utility like XXCopy or RoboCopy seems to eliminate these "unknown" problems from cropping up during a large copy process.

Speed of copy plus avoiding what I've written above are my reasons for command line copy utilities.

Too bad you're not moving to an OES-Linux server with NSS volumes.  The Novell Server Consolidation Utility would copy all of the data and preserve all of the file rights and file attributes.

The file permission switch from trustee rights (NetWare/eDirectory) to share and file permissions (Windows) is something the Quest NDS Migrator does quite well.  With 350 user directories to deal with, you may want to look into its cost (somewhere between $20 and $30 per user account).  As mentioned before though, I don't like one-time use, throw-away utilities...it just depends upon how much manual work you want to do.  Quest, btw, will copy all of the data as it preserves the rights and changes them to permissions.

Scott

 

by: rvthostPosted on 2009-03-25 at 12:43:57ID: 23983767

Just to chime in, we're in the same situation migrating from Netware to Windows.  It's a lot of work, but the file permissions are so a$$ backwards in Windows compared to Netware, it will drive you nuts.  Quest gets the job done, but not very cleanly in my opinion.  From our perspective, even with as many users as we have, we figure it's a rare opportunity to start with a clean slate and assign file permissions correctly from the start.  So we're just using the trustee.nlm to give us our spreadsheet of Netware file rights and manually assigning them appropriately in the Windows environment.  

 

by: rvthostPosted on 2009-03-25 at 12:46:17ID: 23983806

Oh, and regarding the home directories, you don't need to assign a share for each user's home directory.  Assign a share on the "home" parent folder, then assign your NTFS permissions for each individual user on each sub-folder.  Still plenty of work, but it reduces it a bit.  Your login script looks like this:

net use h: \\server\home\%username%

 

by: ZENandEmailguyPosted on 2009-03-25 at 17:49:56ID: 23986364

rvthost, I'm glad you mentioned the share setup on "home" and not on each individual directory.  I wasn't sure about that point.

Scott

 

by: andossPosted on 2009-04-01 at 15:43:48ID: 31597463

Sorry took so long i ran up a test lab and had a play around.
Manual file copy using xxcopy or similar seems like my best solution.

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