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Backup Solution for small Netware / OES network

Asked by: rodomahony

Our company has a small, single-server network with 15 users, running Novell Netware 6.5 (SP6) and Groupwise 6.5. Our accounts software, which doesn't run on Netware, runs from a Windows XP box on the network. We currently use Veritas Backup Exec 9.1 to backup the server + Groupwise, and also the accounts data and programs using a remote agent for Windows, to DLT VS1 tape on a Freecom drive attached to the server.

Having been advised that Novell are shortly withdrawing all support for Netware to devote their resources to OES on Linux, we've been considering our options. We will most likely ultimately move to OES rather than desert to Windows Server; however probably not within the next 12 months - we've always found Netware 6.5 to be very stable and aren't too panicked by the end-of-life.

However we also want to upgrade our backup options. We've always found backing up to tape a bit flaky (and increasingly so recently) and would prefer to back up to USB external hard drives. We also would like a solution which includes server imaging for disaster recovery, with the ability to restore the entire server to a new drive including operating system, patches, etc., as well as data. It also needs to be able to back up the accounts system on the Windows box.

We ideally want to implement this before upgrading the network OS, so we need a solution which will work on Netware now, but also on OES later on (maybe with a minor upgrade, but without having to buy it all over again).

Backup Exec (now owned by Symantec) no longer supports Netware, and new versions apparently only support Linux systems via a remote agent running from a Windows Server machine, so we've ruled that out. Syncsort Backup Express seems to tick a lot of the boxes, but is probably a bit out of our league - it seems to be aimed at much larger enterprises than ours, and is priced accordingly.

Is there anything out there which would give us the functionality we're looking for, at a sensible price for a company of our size, and can be recommended by experts who've used it?

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by: BillBachPosted on 2009-09-24 at 15:48:07ID: 25418722

Sometimes, the simplest solutions are the best.  Obviously, you want to get away from tape.  The  portable hard disk solution seems like a great way to go -- cheap and easy, and you can probably get 10 or 20 suitable drives for the cost of a decent tape drive nowadays, and avoid the cost of media.

You already have a "secondary server" in the form of the XP box used for your accounting system.  You could easily connect the drives to this system, and then create a few backup scripts that move data files over from your existing servers over to this hard disk.  You can use a simple tool like XXCOPY or ROBOCOPY to effect a synchronization, or you can pick a more powerful tool like Beyond Compare (under $50) from http://www.scootersoftware.com/.  

This doesn't cover your image backup issue, but perhaps there are other products that can likely be used in conjunction, such as Ghost for NetWare, or a Physical-to-Virtual migration tool that can create backup images of the NetWare box.  Once you have the image, you can then copy it to an external HD pretty easily.  (Consequently, this is also a side benefit of virtualizing the NetWare server -- you can not only move it to new hardware very easily, but you can keep running it in a VMWare environment for some time to come.)  Of course, if you virtualize, then you can also use a VMWare backup solution, of which several options abound.

 

by: rodomahonyPosted on 2009-09-25 at 03:56:46ID: 25421693

Thanks for the suggestions. I have a few follow-up questions:

Does a tool such as Beyond Compare handle open files? And how would it deal with backing up Groupwise? As far as I can see, each 'session' in Beyond Compare would sync one folder, so we would need to do it in 3 sessions - for the Sys and Data volumes on our server, and for the accounts on the Windows box. Can a single script be created which would run these one after the other?

Ghost for Netware is apparently no longer available, and I'm afraid the rest of the last paragraph lost me a bit (sorry, but I'm the closest thing we have to an IT manager and I'm not at all close). Can you explain what is a Physical-to-Virtual migration tool, and what's meant by a VMWare environment?

I did come across a disk imaging solution for Netware called Portlock Storage manager which seems to do what we want as far as that side of things is concerned. However the Portlock site makes no mention of OES, and I'd be reluctant to invest in it if it became redundant once we migrated to OES (I've emailed an enquiry but had no response so far).

 

by: BillBachPosted on 2009-09-25 at 04:47:56ID: 25422020

BC is both a GUI-based tool and a command line script handler.
This means that it will handle running it in a script just fine.
Open files won't be perfect sbapshots, so you'd likely need to schedule a GW shutdown with CRON on the Netware box with the BC Copy job.
Creating a batch file with 3 copy jobs is easy.  (I use this for my own backups every night to a NAS, and I run 8 separate jobs to backup data from various sources.

VMWare and Hyper-V are two competing "virtualization" products.  The simple form is that they act as emulators and present a virtualized hardware instance of an entire computer to the user.
You can then install your own OS, applications, and data -- just like a separate physical box, but it runs "inside" another box.
These solutions are cheap/free for basic functionality, and a quick Google search will turn up a LOT more info.

I suggest this because they store the data in physical "hard disk" files that can easily be backed up, giving you machine snapshot capabilities.
Note that more advanced backups are possible (like live migration),
but may require higher versions.

I bring this idea up because the various P2V tools would work very similarly to Ghost, but have the added advantage that you can directly "run" the image on another hardware setup.
 

 

by: NothingSiriusPosted on 2009-09-25 at 08:36:46ID: 25424104

Make sure to check into the NDS backup while you are at it. Most solutions don't take NDS into account and you certainly don't want to wind up having to restore your system from backup and find you have no NDS. I'd probably continue to use BackupExec to backup NDS and just use a simple Windows Backup routine on a timer to back up the files to external USB media mounted on the Windows machine.

UltraBac and NovaStor support Netware and are still being updated. Novastor backs up open files and I believe offers a bare metal restore option.

Even after all the time and trouble, I'm still bullish on tape .. I even use it at home to backup my USB backups!

 

by: giovannicoaPosted on 2009-10-04 at 05:43:40ID: 25489036

Hi,

My personal opinion is:

Buy a new server with 3 or more 146GB HD and 4 GB of RAM.
You can guarantee hardware fault tolerance and hardware replacement.

Try one of these products for virtualizazion VMware ESXi and Citrix XenServer as your preference. I don't known Hyper-V. Xen on SLES is not a good choice for me.

At the moment VMware is the top, Citrix offer VMotion and centralized managment for more than one nodes at no cost.

Virtualization give you the ability to make a very simple disaster recovery, like Veeam FastSCP.
After you have your virtualized environment you can do a NetWare hardware upgrade from your physical to newly virtual NetWare server.

After that you can slowly install an additional OES Linux with eDirectory, DHCP, DNS, Novell Domain Services for Windows ad start do tests to migrate your users to Linux.

For backup you can use you can choose from many strategies. You can start using a Windows XP that map NetWare volumes and copy them on another disk or buy a professional backuup software (Tapeware, BackupExec) or buy a NAS like Buffalo and schedule a copy.

Some software like AllwaySync let's you at very low price (100$) to sync or to backup (saving modified or deleted files).

Write down your objectives, how many time do you have to restore all your systems ? Are your tools able to respect that requirements ? How many it costs ?

Hope this can help you,
Giovanni Coa

 

by: ZENandEmailguyPosted on 2009-10-05 at 12:24:21ID: 25498637

Sorry to jump into this late.  Take a look at SEP at www.sepusa.com  We just put this in for a school district with great success.  Easy to setup and not bad on cost.  Plus it supports a lot of different OS/NOS.

Scott

 

by: rodomahonyPosted on 2009-10-06 at 09:40:04ID: 31633078

Hi,

Firstly, sorry for the delay in getting back to this - we're a small outfit and I only get to deal with IT issues intermittently.

All the suggestions have been helpful and given much food for thought. I've split the points between BillBach and NothingSirius - the former for pointing me towards BeyondCompare, an excellent (and cheap!) solution for backing up data files, and the latter for the recommendation of NovaStor, which is the only fully-featured network backup solution I've come across which supports both Netware and Linux and also offers bare metal recovery.

 

by: cactus_dataPosted on 2009-12-23 at 09:18:33ID: 26114083

> not bad on cost

Eh ... USD 878.00 for a module to backup GroupWise!?

/gustav

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