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Strange Behavior with NTFS Permissions Inheritance

Tags: ntfs, permissions, 2003, inheritance
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All of my client files are hosted on a single File Server located in-house.
The Hardware is new and very efficient, HP DL380 G5 server with loads of RAM, HDD space, processing power, etc. It is a member server of my domain and runs Server 2003 R2 SP2. I currently have both Macintosh and Windows clients touching the same directory hierarchy where all my client files reside.

I've setup the directory permissions where a folder and its nested files inherits NTFS permissions from its parent directory. The default permissions on the root directory is set as: Domain Admins=FullControl, SYSTEM=FullControl, Domain Users=Modify. This works fine for the most part. However, at least once or twice a week, I get a call from a Macintosh user complaining that a directory/file they worked on is locked out to other users (and sometimes vice versa). So I go check it out and find that the inheritabnce has been superceded by the user's own permissions, therefore setting a new inhertince structure starting at the level where the anomoly happened.

Here's a good example:
Lisa is a Macintosh user - she's working today in Clients/VISA/Creative/Rev1 directrory where
there is a file within Rev 1 called cardshot.vh.psd. She closes out Photoshop and sends Jim, a windows user, an email telling him this project is ready for proofing. Jim goes on the server, drilling down to ~/Creative but is locked-out of the ~Rev 1 directory for some reason. So I have Sally, another Mac user have a look, and sure enough, the ~Rev 1 directory has a red STOP-SIGN on it via the Macintosh Finder window. When I check the NTFS permissions on ~Rev 1, I see that the expected permissions inheritance was blown away and replaced with: Domain Admins=Modify, Everyone=<nothing>, Lisa=FullControl, SYSTEM=Modify.

It's the weirdest thing and seems to happen only with a handful of Macintosh users/computers (three, actually). Right now, I "fix" the problem ad-hoc as it happens by repossessing ownership of the problem file/folder and reinheriting the permissions from the proper parent structure. But this is a reactive measure. My creatives want better, more secure file permission stability and I don't blame them.

So here's what I I'd like to see from you Experts:
1)  Any insight into diagnosing any problems directly causing this behavior (from a Windows permission or Appletalk  perspective)
2)  Any scripts for automating resetting the proper perm-inheritance structure on a regular basis
3)  your suggestions based on past experience will help...


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Question Asked By: juckyt
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Comment by rbrownnh999
I am having the same issue. I noticed this a few days ago. I do not have MACs I have all Windows XP SP2 workstations and all Windows 2003 R2 servers. The hardware is an HP DL380 G4.

The file server is the only place I notice this happening and that server is running the 64bit version of W2K3R2. I have had issues with security corruption on this machine where all the permissions were missing.

Now I see everytime someone creates of copies/moves a folder they become the owner of that folder and their domain account is listed in the security area with special permissions.

You have to assign permissions other then special in order to remove the users account from the security list, if not you receive a message stating you can remove them because they are inherited, which is not true.

I'm starting to wonder if it is a SCSI disk controller issue and not a Windows issue.

junkyt, Are you running the 64 bit version of W2K3R2?

I do not see this happening to the other servers but they are not file servers and folder and files are not created often.

If anyone has a resolution I would be very interested since this could lead to data lose.

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You have to assign permissions other then special in order to remove the users account from the security list, if not you receive a message stating you CAN NOT remove them because they are inherited, which is not true.
 
 
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