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How can I combat mail spoofing?
Tags: Microsoft, exchange
How can I combat mail spoofing? I work with a number of different cleints and many of them have been reporting that they are recieving NDR's for messages they did not send. It seems like this has increased dramatically over the last two months from over 7 different cleints who's small domains I manage.

I know I can block the NDR domain wide, but then they won't get an NDR if they mistype someone's name, or there is a real communication problem going on.

I have two questions.
1. Can any harm come from spammers spoofing my cleints addresses? Can an ISP block my domain if enough spam  comes from a spoofer? (I have Reverse PTR's set up, which is likley why the mail is being blocked when it's deliverd)

2. Can I block the NDR's that are returned from spoofed email, while letting NDR's through when one of my users makes a real mistake in typing

thanks for the help

I'm attaching a message that was sent to my by a cleint. He said he never sent a message to the original recipient

David

 -----Original Message-----
From:       Mail Delivery System [mailto:Mailer-Daemon@perfora.net]
Sent:      Friday, April 18, 2008 05:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
To:      Edward Smith
Subject:      Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following addresses
failed:

quota exceeded:
  info@HabanosyHermanos.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Received: from steyer-mail-02.Internal.Steyerlaw.Com (mail.steyerlaw.com [66.92.190.101])
      by mx.perfora.net (node=mxus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis)
      id 0MKojg-1JmpJ03pJB-0000w5 for info@HabanosyHermanos.com; Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:03:15 -0400
Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: H & H - The perfect present
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:03:04 -0700
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
      charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-ID: <2FA588293718704CA4E3C64C19F51764030C74@steyer-mail-02.Internal.Steyerlaw.Com>
X-MS-Has-Attach:
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5
Thread-Topic: H & H - The perfect present
Thread-Index: AcihTCgTYAv2FRkURBO01MmI5eQL3gAAAArg
From: "Edward Smith" <XXXXXXXX@steyerlaw.com>
To: "H and H Notifier" <info@HabanosyHermanos.com>

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05.08.2008 at 04:13PM PDT, ID: 21529223
Short Answer: You can't.

Long Answers:

"1. Can any harm come from spammers spoofing my cleints addresses?"

Yes, some E-Mail systems may decide to block E-Mail from your Domain, and not take the time to determine that it was a spoof.

"Can an ISP block my domain if enough spam  comes from a spoofer?"

Sure. An ISP can block E-Mail from your Domain for any reason. Nothing forces anyone to accept E-Mail from a given Domain.

"(I have Reverse PTR's set up, which is likley why the mail is being blocked when it's deliverd)"

Probably your PTRs are having no effect, because the E-Mail systems accepting the spoofed messages aren't checking for spoofing to begin with.

"2. Can I block the NDR's that are returned from spoofed email, while letting NDR's through when one of my users makes a real mistake in typing"

That depends entirely on your E-Mail infrastructure (which you haven't described), how adaptable it is and how much work you want to put into the task.

To effectively do what you suggest (accept NDRs only for E-Mail you system has actually sent), you're going to have to implement some sort of system by which your MTA keeps track of all outgoing E-Mail, and when an NDR arrives, either matches it to a record of an E-Mail that was sent, or discards it.

Entirely possible.... Whether or not you want to put the effort into it is a wholly different question.
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05.08.2008 at 04:20PM PDT, ID: 21529261
thanks for your response.
We are using Exchange 2003 SP2 in all domains. Likley the clients would pay for 1-2 hrs worth of work.
It's interesting no one has come up with a solution to combat spoofing, especially as a paid product or service. Maybe it's just a matter of time, like when spammers first started there was no way to stop them until antispam software was created. Seems like a good area for a strong email administrator to think up a product.
 
05.09.2008 at 04:36PM PDT, ID: 21537112
"like when spammers first started there was no way to stop them until antispam software was created."

Anti-SPAM still doesn't stop spammers. Never has, never will. What it can do, with varying amounts of success, is stop them from actually reaching the users served by the mail system.

Good luck on customizing exchange.
 
05.10.2008 at 12:04AM PDT, ID: 21538093
a solution has been defined to combat spoofing... it is not a standard yet, but I suspect it may very well be soon (that, or some varient will be.)

look into SPF records.   I have defined them for all of my domains.  I don't expect them to do much for me right now, but they offer a certain level of promise for the future... especially if the process (err... WHEN such a process)  finally becomes mainstream.

in short... a SPF record defines which hosts and IP's are approved by YOU to send mail for your domain...  e.g.  if johnny spamman tries to deliver a email to victim@someisp.com from his laptop... someisp.com will look up your SPF record and determine that his laptop is not an authorized mail server for your domain and deny the message.
 
05.10.2008 at 09:51AM PDT, ID: 21539618
SPF records do *NOT* stop spoofing.

SPF records have NO EFFECT *unless* a receiving mailhost checks *and* honors the information in the SPF record.

There is nothing that forces any specific receiving mailhost to check for SPF records, or honor the information in the way the SPF record creator intended.

SPF records also do not necessarily combat inclusion of spoofed E-Mail addresses in Reply-To: headers.

I'm not saying that the Asker shouldn't set up an SPF record. Just understand the limitations. It won't magically put an end to spoofing.
 
05.10.2008 at 10:36AM PDT, ID: 21539760
Thank you for the additional feedback PsiCop... Clearly the first two paragraphs of my original post didn't make this point clear enough.

a solution has been defined to combat spoofing... it is not a standard yet, but I suspect it may very well be soon (that, or some varient will be.)

look into SPF records.   I have defined them for all of my domains.  I don't expect them to do much for me right now, but they offer a certain level of promise for the future... especially if the process (err... WHEN such a process)  finally becomes mainstream.
 
 
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