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Cannot Receive Email after ISP change over

Asked by: manny_lenis

Hey all, once again im in a bind because of DNS settings.  I recently changed over to a new ISP.  After switching over and making all necessay changes to the Watchguard, I am unable to receive emails.  Im almost 100 percent sure it as something to do with DNS but I can really use some help on this.

Thanks

Manny

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Answers

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 09:39:09ID: 25430289

Please Help

 

by: mikeewaltonPosted on 2009-09-26 at 09:52:15ID: 25430320

We need more information.

After changing to a new ISP did you change the mx record?
Did you give adequate time for the change over?

What happens if you telnet your domain name on port 25 from the outside?

 

by: cantorisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 09:54:17ID: 25430327

Is the publically published DNS MX record definitely pointing to the right place since you've moved?
Try checking from here:
http://www.all-nettools.com/toolbox/nslookup.php

BTW, was that a deliberate DNS pun in your first sentence?!   :)

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:05:27ID: 25430376

Check your new IP address on www.whatismyip.com and then change your Domain's DNS MX record to the same IP and wait 24-48 hours for the IP to replicate around the world and you should be fine.

Check you new IP on www.mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx to make sure the new one you have is clean.  If it isn't - please re-quest delisting from the sites that are listing you.

Make sure you also change your SPF record (assuming you have one) to reflect your new IP address, or if you don't already have one - visit http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html and run through the wizard to create the record you need, then copy and paste the record into a new TXT record in your Domain's DNS records.  This will help you when sending out emails as sometimes if you don't have an SPF record, people will block you.  With an SPF record, you should be able to send mail to most of the world.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:07:44ID: 25430384

mikeewalton, mx records appear to be good.  if i nslookup eaglebrands.com for the mx records all appears to be ok.  only one that looks off is the mail.eaglebrands.com that resolves as 174.141.49.100 which is one of the ip's i have assigned in my firewall as a 1 to 1 nat to the exchange server.  

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:11:33ID: 25430402

when i go to my exchange server and go to whatismyip.com i get an ip of 174.141.49.100 which is correct.  when i logon to network solutions which is where i have my domain registered i have an mx record created there pointing to 174.141.49.100.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:15:04ID: 25430418

this is what my dns settings look like on network solutions.

 

by: mikeewaltonPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:15:06ID: 25430419

This is what I see for mx records:

10      eaglebrands.com.s8a1.psmtp.com      64.18.7.10      7200      
20      eaglebrands.com.s8a2.psmtp.com      64.18.7.11      7200      
30      eaglebrands.com.s8b1.psmtp.com      64.18.7.13      7200
40      eaglebrands.com.s8b2.psmtp.com      64.18.7.14      7200
50      mail.eaglebrands.com      174.141.49.100      7200

Notice that the mail.eaglebrands.com is the last priority meaning its only going to hit there if the other 4 fail.
Are you using a postini device or something in the middle?
If you are not meaning, and you are trying to go direct, then that needs to be moved to 10.
That being said, I am not getting a responce on that IP, so something is still off, most likely on your router.

Give me a little more on your set up.

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:15:28ID: 25430423

You have 5 IP's setup for your domain - all pointing to the same address range.

Your 5 MX records are:

10 eaglebrands.com.s8a1.psmtp.com. [TTL=7200] IP=64.18.7.10 (No Glue) [TTL=14400] [US]
20 eaglebrands.com.s8a2.psmtp.com. [TTL=7200] IP=64.18.7.11 (No Glue) [TTL=14400] [US]
40 eaglebrands.com.s8b2.psmtp.com. [TTL=7200] IP=64.18.7.14 (No Glue) [TTL=14400] [US]
50 mail.eaglebrands.com. [TTL=7200] IP=174.141.49.100 [TTL=7200] [US]
30 eaglebrands.com.s8b1.psmtp.com. [TTL=7200] IP=64.18.7.13 (No Glue) [TTL=14400] [US]

Do you really need 5?

Mail.eaglebrands.com is the only one that does not respond.

ERROR: I could not complete a connection to one or more of your mailservers:
mail.eaglebrands.com: Timed out [Last data sent: [Did not connect]]

Your mail server is apparently called Postini and not what the MX record is pointing to.

WARNING: One or more of your mailservers is claiming to be a host other than what it really is (the SMTP greeting should be a 3-digit code, followed by a space or a dash, then the host name). If your mailserver sends out E-mail using this domain in its EHLO or HELO, your E-mail might get blocked by anti-spam software. This is also a technical violation of RFC821 4.3 (and RFC2821 4.3.1). Note that the hostname given in the SMTP greeting should have an A record pointing back to the same server. Note that this one test may use a cached DNS record.

eaglebrands.com.s8a1.psmtp.com claims to be invalid hostname 'Postini': <br />   220 Postini ESMTP 201 y6_21_1c4 ready. CA Business and Professions Code Section 17538.45 forbids use of this system for unsolicited electronic mail advertisements. <br />

eaglebrands.com.s8a2.psmtp.com claims to be invalid hostname 'Postini': <br />   220 Postini ESMTP 274 y6_21_1c4 ready. CA Business and Professions Code Section 17538.45 forbids use of this system for unsolicited electronic mail advertisements. <br />

eaglebrands.com.s8b2.psmtp.com claims to be invalid hostname 'Postini': <br />   220 Postini ESMTP 210 y6_21_1c4 ready. CA Business and Professions Code Section 17538.45 forbids use of this system for unsolicited electronic mail advertisements. <br />

eaglebrands.com.s8b1.psmtp.com claims to be invalid hostname 'Postini': <br />   220 Postini ESMTP 227 y6_21_1c4 ready. CA Business and Professions Code Section 17538.45 forbids use of this system for unsolicited electronic mail advertisements. <br />

 

You don't have an SPF record setup:

Your domain does not have an SPF record. This means that spammers can easily send out E-mail that looks like it came from your domain, which can make your domain look bad (if the recipient thinks you really sent it), and can cost you money (when people complain to you, rather than the spammer). You may want to add an SPF record ASAP, as 01 Oct 2004 was the target date for domains to have SPF records in place (Hotmail, for example, started checking SPF records on 01 Oct 2004).

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:17:24ID: 25430430

Are you planning to use postini or get mail delivered directly?

Currently, most mail will go via postini and if that is the case, they need to know the new IP address you are on to send you your mail.

If you want to receive mail direct, lose the postini MX records and just have your direct IP address.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:23:19ID: 25430455

all mail should go through postini to filter the junk mail then hit the exchange.  the only reason i have the mail.eaglebrands.com is because i thought i needed it for reverse lookup.  I use to be able to it https://eaglebrands.com/exchange and get the OWA login but no luck now.  for whatever reason i have to use https://mail.eaglebrands.com/exchange.  again probably dns.

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:27:02ID: 25430471

Eaglebrands.com currently points to IP 209.62.20.200 which is why you cannot use https://eaglebrands.com/exchange  - This is DNS - you are right.

Somewhere in your DNS settings you will find this IP address - change it to your current one and that will work.

Have you told Postini of you new IP Address?

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:30:50ID: 25430481

Reverse Lokup only checks your IP address to see what it setup.  If you set your reverse DNS up as Eaglebrands.com and change the 209.62.20.200 IP address to 174.141.49.100 in DNS, you can lose the mail.eaglebrands.com MX record and then you won't get spam sent straight to your server.

The current Reverse DNS pointer for your ip is:

Answer:
174.141.49.100 PTR record: 174.141.49.100.nw.nuvox.net. [TTL 43200s] [A=174.141.49.100]

So call your ISP quickly and ask them to change it as it is left-over from the previous owner or is your new ISP.  Ask them to set it up as eaglebrands.com and track down that 209.62.20.200 IP and change it.  Then all will be well.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:35:27ID: 25430510

have not told postini of the new address. let me change eagle brands to point to 174.141.49.100.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:37:40ID: 25430525

nuvox is the new isp i am using.

 

by: SatyaPathakPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:41:49ID: 25430542

When ever you change an ISP or Public IP details are below.

Have you created a new MX or you are using an old MX?

If yes, you have create a new MX in that case need to take a time at list 48 hour to resolve a MX ,PTR,A record in all root domain.
Have you create a PTR record in new ISP?
You can also check an nslookup Public DNS and Exchange Public IP resolved or not.
You can also verify your telnet port 25.

http://www.mxtoolbox.com/

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:45:04ID: 25430550

If you have not told Postini - then they will probably be trying to deliver your mail to your old IP address.

Give them a call asap - assuming they are a 24-hour organisation, and they can then change the IP address they have for you to your new one.

Don't forget to setup an SPF record.  Some mail outbound will fail without an SPF record.

You are not currently blacklisted:

http://www.mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=blacklist%3a174.141.49.100

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:48:21ID: 25430557

Mikewalton - I think the mailserver is not responding because it is set to only allow connections from Postini.

Manny - Please confirm this is the case - that you have IP restirctions setup on your SMTP Virtual Server just for Postini.

 

by: mikeewaltonPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:50:19ID: 25430562

Yes I think youre right on this one.

He either needs to A: Tell postini the new add
B: Drop postini, and remove the restriction from the vs., and change the priority on the mx records.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:50:41ID: 25430563

alan that is correct.  i have a rule setup to only allow mail from postini.  

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:56:14ID: 25430577

Okay - to summarise:

  1. Call Postini and tell your new IP 
  2. Setup an SPF record via http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html and publish the record in your Domains DNS records (add a TXT record) 
  3. Change your DNS to modify IP 209.62.20.200 to174.141.49.100. 
  4. Delete the MX that points to IP 174.141.49.100 
  5. Call your ISP and ask then to setup your Reverse DNS record as eaglebrands.com 

Read your emails when they come in!

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:56:53ID: 25430581

i dont know where this ip is from 209.62.20.200

 

by: mikeewaltonPosted on 2009-09-26 at 10:58:59ID: 25430599

That goes to mail.groupmelvindesign.com

a 2003 exchange server.

 

by: mikeewaltonPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:00:20ID: 25430610

GROUPmelvinDESIGN
3 South Broad Street Suite 3C
Woodbury, NJ 08096

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:02:30ID: 25430629

See the attached

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:03:49ID: 25430638

It is buried in your DNS somewhere.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:13:39ID: 25430733

dont understand why that A record is pointing over there.  network solutions has it pointing to 174.141.49.100. let me reset all dns settings to their default and start from scratch.  Im logged on to postini but dont see where to change the server info.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:20:45ID: 25430782

ok i was able to change the ip in postini to 174.141.49.100 which is the ip address i have assigned to my mail server in my firewall rules.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:26:25ID: 25430832

looks like when i changes the outgoing server in postini messages have started to flow to the mail server.  just need to figure out why eaglebrands.com keeps resolving to that 209.62.20.200 address

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:26:52ID: 25430841

Now I'm seeing this:

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:39:15ID: 25430969

Do you have mail flowing in yet?

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:46:32ID: 25431008

looks like theres a delay.  and i still cant go to https://eaglebrands.com/exchange.  No OWA.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:48:31ID: 25431018

cant receive mail from hotmail.com

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:53:38ID: 25431047

Whilst the IP 209.62.20.200 is still hanging around, the https://eaglebrands.com/exchange will not work.  I suggest you talk to your domain provider and get them to find the record and delete it.

In terms of delay - there should not really be any delay now that you changed your IP on Postini.

I'm surprised about hotmail - were you getting them before?

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:54:10ID: 25431051

yup

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:54:44ID: 25431053

looks like mail stopped flowing to the exchange server again

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:58:45ID: 25431071

Postini may take a while to update their records - not sure how they function, but it might be this that is causing the intermittent mail.

Hold that thought.

You only have 1 MX record now and thus no mail will hit you as you removed the Postini records.

You need to add them back or open up your IP restrictions on your SMTP Virtual Server.

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 11:59:53ID: 25431079

In case you need a refresher:

10 eaglebrands.com.s8a1.psmtp.com. [TTL=7200] IP=64.18.7.10 (No Glue) [TTL=14400] [US]
20 eaglebrands.com.s8a2.psmtp.com. [TTL=7200] IP=64.18.7.11 (No Glue) [TTL=14400] [US]
40 eaglebrands.com.s8b2.psmtp.com. [TTL=7200] IP=64.18.7.14 (No Glue) [TTL=14400] [US]
30 eaglebrands.com.s8b1.psmtp.com. [TTL=7200] IP=64.18.7.13 (No Glue) [TTL=14400] [US]

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:21:25ID: 25432009

ok i got the email working.  however i still cannot get to https://eaglebrands.com/exchange like i use too.  Also, non of my windows mobile devices can synchronize with the exchange server.

 

by: mikeewaltonPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:24:26ID: 25432021

No; but you can access it by https://mail.eaglebrands.com/exchange, which is proper.

As far as the active sync, test it here and let me know the results.

https://www.testexchangeconnectivity.com/

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:25:07ID: 25432023

Windows Mobiles will take about 48 hours to wake up as the Airtime Provider has to pick up the DNS changes.  Come Monday / Tuesday - they should be working again without intervention.

You still have the 5 MX records - not a major problem and it will help your OWA access until you can lose the rogue IP address in your DNS. which is still there.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:34:10ID: 25432041

Attempting to Resolve the host name mail.eaglebrands.com in DNS.
 Host successfully Resolved
Additional Details
 IP(s) returned: 174.141.49.100

Testing TCP Port 443 on host mail.eaglebrands.com to ensure it is listening/open.
 The port was opened successfully.

Testing SSL Certificate for validity.
 The SSL Certificate failed one or more certificate validation checks.
Test Steps
 Validating certificate name
 Certificate name validation failed
 Tell me more about this issue and how to resolve it

Additional Details
 Host name mail.eaglebrands.com does not match any name found on the server certificate CN=eaglebrands.com, CN=companyweb, CN=EAGLE1, CN=localhost, CN=EAGLE1.eaglebrands.local

 

by: mikeewaltonPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:39:03ID: 25432063

You need a public certificate; do you have one already?

If you do you will probably need to redo it as you technically changed domain names bypassing postini.

Order a new public cert, and install it.

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:41:32ID: 25432072

Manny - Re-run the Connect To The Internet Wizard and change nothing apart from the Certificate option where you should generate a new certificate using mail.eaglebrands.com as the name.  This should solve the Activesync problem, but you will still have to wait for your Airtime provider to catch up with the DNS changes.

Start> Server Manager> To-Do-List> Connect To The Internet.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:42:59ID: 25432074

how can i create a public cert?  

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:44:13ID: 25432078

Just re-run the wizard as I suggested above - it will sort you out for free.

 

by: mikeewaltonPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:45:14ID: 25432082

A public cert, does cost, but it keeps you from having to install the certificate on all of the phones.

If you dont want to spend the money, then follow alan's advise.

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:46:29ID: 25432087

I guess the question is - how did they work before if nothing has changed apart from the IP Address?

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:47:19ID: 25432090

If they were fine - then wait until Monday as this will give DNS a chance to replicate.

If nothing has changed apart from the DNS - then they should just start to work as quickly as they stopped working.

 

by: mikeewaltonPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:52:39ID: 25432109

Before; it appears that he was routing mail through postini, which means that the active sync devices were looking at his postini records, therefore his certificate most likely has postini in it, so with out changing that certificate there not going to work if the above is the case.

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 16:55:50ID: 25432117

There were 5 MX records before the change and Activesync was working.  There are still 5 MX records and they have not changed in any way.  Activesync must have been using mail.eaglebrand.com to work and this will not have changed.

Activesync won't work via Postini - so it has to have worked direct to the SBS server before the ISP change - thus it should continue to work once the IP has been replicate in DNS around the world and the Airtime Provider picks up the changes.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 17:06:00ID: 25432144

activesync was using eaglebrands.com and not mail.eaglebrands.com

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 17:06:34ID: 25432146

where does the crt file exist so i can copy onto a device for testing?

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 17:08:38ID: 25432152

Okay - retest if you want to using eaglebrands.com - but I am 100% certain that it will work once DNS has replicated.

Testing on the device won't work until your Airtime Provider's DNS has caught up with your changes.

You HAVE to wait it out.

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 17:14:47ID: 25432169

Just thinking about what you have said a little....

It cannot have worked on Eaglebrands.com as that will try to connect to the rogue IP you have in your DNS - so it has to have been using mail.eaglebrands.com, in which case your certificate is wrong and thus you need to re-run the Wizard previously suggested to create a certificate with the proper name on.

Re-test on https://testexchangeconnectivity.com and then assuming it works, you will have to wait for your Airtime Provider's DNS to catch up and also install the new certificate on each phone.

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 17:16:35ID: 25432175

Sweet everything is working.  You guys rock.  Thanks again.

 

by: alanhardistyPosted on 2009-09-26 at 17:18:15ID: 25432179

If you get issues with Activesync - please read my FAQ on this very problem:

http://www.it-eye.co.uk/faqs/readQuestion.php?qid=1
 

 

by: manny_lenisPosted on 2009-09-26 at 17:19:35ID: 31633944

thanks again guys

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