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DNS Non-existing Domain

Asked by: MrMagoo

I have recently expanded my network and created 2 child domains.  I  run 2003 standard 32 bit in my parent domain (2003 functional level) 2003 standard 32bit in my first child domain (NY Site)and 08 server in my 2nd (MD Site).  DNS is not working to my child domain site at all, when i ping hostname i get a  ping request could not find.... when i ping by fqdn i get a response, the only work around I found for this was to add the dns suffix in the ip settings of the machine ur pinging from, and although it will get the job done, its not practical for my scenario.  I've added the DNS at my child domains and they all show up under the domain's zone at my main site.  I've checked the forwarders, root hints.  The only thing that is working is DNS from my second site (MD) which is running 08 server to the parent domain, I've compared all settings and although it is a bit different they all seem to match.  Any help will be appreciated.

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2009-10-29 at 10:48:33ID24855495
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Answers

 

by: GunnerNPosted on 2009-10-29 at 10:51:50ID: 25696277

Hi, the easiest way around this is to set up conditional forwarding in your parent dns server.  In the server properties, forwarders tab set up forwarding to the DNS server in the child domain so that any queries for child.domain.com get passed to the IP address of the DNS server for the child domain.

Hope this helps,
GunnerN

 

by: MrMagooPosted on 2009-10-29 at 10:58:44ID: 25696350

I've added the forwarders to both sites as well as the root hints.  I did catagorize them under the all other domains, as if i try to enter child.domain.com and then put the forwarders under that domain it tells me there is a configuration error.

 

by: GunnerNPosted on 2009-10-29 at 11:40:17ID: 25696781

Apologies, I think I misread your question.

To set up DNS for a child domain, create a delegation record on the parent DNS server for the child DNS server.  You should then create a secondary zone on the child DNS server that transfers the parent zone from the parent DNS server.

Is this how you have it configured at the moment?

 

by: MrMagooPosted on 2009-10-29 at 11:50:13ID: 25696889

When I created the domain it took me through creatng a reverse lookup zone. I didn't have to create a new delegation record as it was created for me,  but yes i do have the delegation set up. On the child domains however, they don't show as delegation zones, they show up as the zone for that child domain.

 

by: Netman66Posted on 2009-10-31 at 08:32:23ID: 25710126

The easiest way to accomplish this is to make all your zones AD Integrated and set the scope to All DNS servers in the Forest.  This allows the Application Partition to replicate across domain boundaries in your Forest so that all the zones appear on every dns server in the forest.

 

by: MrMagooPosted on 2009-10-31 at 12:06:46ID: 25711066

They r ad integrated and also replicate among eachother.

 

by: Netman66Posted on 2009-10-31 at 15:20:50ID: 25711811

On the site that isn't working, is there 2 NICs in that server?  If so, is the primary NIC at the top of the binding order and is DNS listening on that interface?

 

by: MrMagooPosted on 2009-11-02 at 09:37:07ID: 25721515

There are 2 nics, DNS is definately listening on the right one, how do i check the binding order?

 

by: Netman66Posted on 2009-11-02 at 10:39:44ID: 25722215

Right click Network Places and select Properties
On the Menu bar select Advanced
In the flyout menu select Advanced Settings...
Under the connections pane select the Internal NIC (LAN facing) if it is not already at the top.
Use the arrows to the right to move it up.

Reboot.

 

by: MrMagooPosted on 2009-11-02 at 11:19:24ID: 25722655

Ok its now set to the correct nic is 1st in the order, i rebooted.  Still the only way i can ping back and forth is by clicking on the radio button to append these dns suffixes in order, in the tcp/ip / dns settings of the nic.

 

by: Netman66Posted on 2009-11-02 at 13:04:51ID: 25723715

Ok, so let's rehash the question so that I understand exactly.

You have parent.com and have added child1.parent.com and child2.parent.com - correct?

You cannot ping using NetBIOS name to machines outside the domain in which you are attempting to ping from?

Just to be sure you understand something - a domain is a security boundary and a DNS boundary.  Pinging a machine (NetBIOS) in Parent.com from inside Parent.com should result in a success.  Pinging a machine (NetBIOS) in child1 or child2 from Parent.com will not work because the machines in Parent.com only add their own suffix to the NetBIOS name.  Pinging a machine (NetBIOS) from either child to the Parent.com should work properly because on the Properties of the IP stack on machines in the child domains, on the DNS tab there should be a checkmark in the box under Append Primary and connection-specific DNS suffixes that enables Append parent suffixes of the Primary DNS suffix.  

In order to ping from Parent.com to either child, you need to use FQDN, add the child suffixes to the machines in Parent.com or use WINS with replication.  WINS will only work if every single machine in all your domains is unique - there cannot be 2 NetBIOS names that are the same or it will fail.

Let me know if I understand you properly.

 

by: MrMagooPosted on 2009-11-02 at 15:00:57ID: 25724682

Well wut about forwarders n root hints, don't they do the resolving too.  Ican ping fqdn with no problems

 

by: Netman66Posted on 2009-11-02 at 15:59:06ID: 25725051

Root hints and Forwarders work with FQDN, yes.  The fact that FQDN works for you proves this.

Your DNS server is Authoritative for the Forward Zones it hosts.  If you ping using NetBIOS for a machine outside of the domain you are in, the client appends it's local suffix and then hits the DNS server.  Since the machine you are pinging may be in the chidl domain then appending the parent suffix is not going to find it in that zone.

Pinging by FQDN forces the DNS server to check for conditional forwarder or a delegation record to forward the query to the proper DNS server (zone, if delegated).

I think it's possible to deliver addition DNS suffix using DHCP, I will check.

 

by: MrMagooPosted on 2009-11-02 at 16:07:54ID: 25725084

U can add the suffix by adding a suffix search in the server config (which I've done) the problem is that it only works with a domain to domain trust.  if u add child.parent.com it drops off the child and oly adds the parent.com part of the string.  Thus having a double entry of parent.com.

 

by: Netman66Posted on 2009-11-02 at 16:08:03ID: 25725085

You can use Group Policy to add your DNS suffix.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=294785

You can add this setting to each domain so that only the entries for the other domains are added.

 

by: MrMagooPosted on 2009-11-04 at 07:03:19ID: 31647632

I was aware of the GP solution, I thought the configuration could have just been taken care of through DNS mgr or DHCP config.  Thanks for all of you help.

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