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DNS Aging and Scavenging

Asked by: SmallPrint

I have read a few posts on this, but i need to be clear on some things.

In DNS forward lookup zones, zone "ABC" has duplicate IP addresses resolving to different computer names.  Obviously these are stale records.

Our DHCP lease is set to 12 hours.

What should Aging and Scavenging be set to for that zone?  I can increase the DHCP lease time if needed.  Do i check the "Scavenge Stale recourse records" checkbox?

How long will it take before these stale records get deleted?

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2009-10-29 at 13:09:33ID24856102
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Answers

 

by: PaciBPosted on 2009-10-30 at 02:00:47ID: 25701106

Hi,

DNS Scavenging can permit you to keep a "clean" DNS zone by deleting old records. "Old records" means DNS records that are obsolete for many days or week, not for hours...
Scanvenging is not really dynamic and won't delete a record as soon as it is unused... It will takes days before the record to be deleted.

Scavenging setting need at least two parameters (I'm not sure of english translation of these settings cause I'm using french version of Windows) :
 - The "refresh prohibit" period (7 days by default) : When a DNS record is created or refreshed, then it cannot be refreshed again (meaning the timestamp can nont be updated) for 7 days.
 - The "grace period before delete" (7 days by default) : If a DNS records is not refreshed for 7 days (meaning the timestamp is 7 days old) then it is deleted.

The first period ("refresh prohibit") is made to limit the numbre of AD object replication because with AD integrated DNS zones, DNS records are AD objects and then each timestamp refresh is an AD object modification. Dynamic DNS registration may then provocate too much object modification in AD. To avoid that, by default, a DNS record refuse new timestamp refresh for 7 days since the last refresh.

So, in fact, an unused DNS record will be deleted 14 days after it's last refresh if you configure scavenging with default settings (7 days + 7 days).

You can reduce these periods but don't expect for a really fast cleaning of the DNS zone. You can probably reduce periods to 3 days + 3 days. That will avoid DNS records to be deleted after the week-end.


In fact, may be you DHCP lease time is too short... 12 hours is very short. But it can be justified if you have a lot of external laptops that occasionally connect on your network. If not, you can probably increase the DHCP lease to some days... 4 days is a usually a good value.

Have a good day.

 

by: Chris-DentPosted on 2009-10-30 at 02:13:37ID: 25701183


Just wanted to add a note on the above.

While the Aging intervals can be reduced in the GUI to a few short hours, you should never set the Refresh Interval lower than 24 hours. Systems with static IP addresses, including your Domain Controllers and any other servers, will be dynamically registering records and performing a Refresh once every 24 hours.

Therefore, setting a Refresh Interval lower than 24 hours will result in the removal of valid records for your servers, and a lot of hassle for you.

I agree with PaciB's conclusion, increasing the DHCP lease would be preferable if you can. If you'd like an example, my settings are these:

DHCP Lease: 16 days
No-Refresh: 4 days
Refresh: 4 days
Automatic Scavenging: Once every day

The total aging time matches up to the DHCP Renewal interval (50% of lease, 8 days).

Chris

 

by: DrDave242Posted on 2009-10-30 at 08:08:34ID: 25703709

Per Chris-Dent's request, reposting the link from the other (duplicate) question:

http://blogs.technet.com/networking/archive/2008/03/19/don-t-be-afraid-of-dns-scavenging-just-be-patient.aspx

Good info on the scavenging process and the intervals in that blog post.

 

by: SmallPrintPosted on 2009-11-02 at 08:10:31ID: 25720651

I set DHCP lease time to 2 days, and DNS aging to 3+3 days.  When should I see DNS records in the forward zone start to clean up? 6 days?

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    DHCP settings...do you see anything wrong?

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    DHCP settings...do you see anything wrong?

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by: DrDave242Posted on 2009-11-02 at 11:15:07ID: 25722611

The records will be ELIGIBLE for scavenging after 6 days, but they won't necessarily be scavenged then.  In the DNS console, right-click your server, select Properties, and select the Advanced tab.  Near the bottom of the properties window, you'll see the checkbox that enables/disables scavenging on this server.  First, make sure this box is checked on all DNS servers that you want to scavenge.  You'll also see the scavenging period shown.  This tells you how often the server will actually scavenge.  If the server has scavenged previously, you can tell when it will do so again by looking through the DNS event log for the last instance of event 2501 or 2502 and adding the scavenging period to the event's timestamp.  If the server has never scavenged before, the first scavenge attempt will occur exactly one scavenging period after the "Enable automatic scavenging" box is checked.

 

by: SmallPrintPosted on 2009-11-03 at 12:19:48ID: 25733109

It was not checked.  Any difference between days? Since this has never been scanned i assume i will have to wait 7 days?  Any harm if i choose 1 day?

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by: DrDave242Posted on 2009-11-03 at 12:38:38ID: 25733334

No, I can't see that there would be any harm in setting the period to one day.  If you do so, any old records (whose no-refresh and refresh intervals have passed) should disappear 24 hours after you click OK or Apply.  After that initial scavenge, you can set the period back to 7 days...or I suppose you could leave it at one if you choose.

 

by: SmallPrintPosted on 2009-11-05 at 08:05:22ID: 25750886

Does this mean 56 entires were cleared up?

 

by: DrDave242Posted on 2009-11-05 at 09:43:35ID: 25751926

There were 54 stale records scavenged from your server, but I don't completely understand nodes vs. records, to be honest.  I've had trouble finding a detailed explanation of exactly what a node is.  What I've read says that a node represents a name in DNS, and each node contains all of the records associated with that name.  That makes sense, I suppose, but I don't see why you'd have more nodes scavenged than records.  That implies that there were nodes inside your DNS with no associated records.  This isn't outside the realm of possibility, but I don't know exactly how it could come about.

Regardless of all that, scavenging completed successfully on your server.

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