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03.28.2008 at 06:47AM PDT, ID: 23277123 | Points: 250
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TCP/IP retransmission lose packets influence protocol
Tags: Delphi
Hi there,

we are having a server application with app. 150 clients connected.
The server application sends out small packets using the TCP/Ip protocol on high speed.
We number every packet ourselves and we see the following behaviour :
Server sends out :
Packet 1
Packet 2
Packet 3
Packet 4
Packet 5
Packet 6
Packet 7
Packet 8

On the tcp/ip protocol, we set the USE_NAGGLE option so that the server sends out packets without waiting on the ACK of the previous packet.
What we see in a busy situation at the client side is that following packets are received :
Packet 1
Packet 2
Packet 3
Packet 5 with error TCP Previous segment lost
Packet 6
Packet 7
Packet 8

Packet 5, 6, 7 and 8 are stuck on the TCP stack?? (I suppose) and not delivered to our application.
A while later we get a TCP retransmission message with Packet4 (the lost packet) and packet 5, 6, 7 and 8 together. Ussualy this retransmission comes after app. 400 - 1000 milliseconds.
This is a disaster for our application.

My questions are :
- can we influence tcp/ip so that packets are delivered to our application even if a previous packet is lost?
- can we influence the retransmission time?
- what can we do to lower the chanche of packet loss?

All these measurements are done with WireShark network sniffer on reasonable good quality DSL lines.

Development of this software was done with Delphi and Indy 10 components.
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Zone: Networking
Question Asked By: TDDatATS
Question Asked On: 03.28.2008
Participating Experts: 2
Points: 250
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03.28.2008 at 07:04AM PDT, ID: 21230473

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03.28.2008 at 07:49AM PDT, ID: 21230902

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03.28.2008 at 07:04AM PDT, ID: 21230473
could it be that you have the same problem as here: http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2643973&SiteID=1 ?
 
03.28.2008 at 07:49AM PDT, ID: 21230902
Wel, not really.
The NoDelay option (Nagle algorithm) is set to True so that the packets are not sent partially.
 
03.29.2008 at 01:13AM PDT, ID: 21235882
 
04.05.2008 at 06:46AM PDT, ID: 21288163
It helps us little bit but still no definitive solution.
I even think the problem can not be solved because TCP is gauranteed order and that's something we want to avoid.
 
04.05.2008 at 06:54AM PDT, ID: 21288185
>> TCP is gauranteed order

that is correct.

>> and that's something we want to avoid.

well, if you want thay, why not use udp?
 
 
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